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Question - Flu Vaccine Effectiveness

Segnosaur

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Now that Flu season is here, many people are getting vaccinated. (I know I got my shot earlier this month.)

But, I do have a couple of questions:

I know the vaccine only protects against a couple of strains of the flu (ones that researchers think will be the most wide spread.) However, I've heard that the most common flus so far weren't covered by the vaccine. (However, the vaccine contains the Panama strain, which gives partial protection against the current widespread forms.) Is this information right? Anyone have any information on what strains are out there and how well the vaccine protects against them?

The other question I have is about length of effectivness. I heard someone on the radio (who was not a doctor) who said he was going to get a flu shot, but would wait a while, because he was told that the shot was only effective for 3 months, and getting it too early would mean your immunity might run out at the height of the flu season. Is this true? I know many vaccines don't necessarily protect against disease for a life time, but 3 months seems to be a very short window of protection.
 
It doesn't magically stop working after exactly 90 days; it would be a gradual drop in effectiveness. I would say that is a foolish decision this year, because outbreaks are happening earlier than normal.

I don't have answers to your other questions.
 
Segnosaur said:
Now that Flu season is here, many people are getting vaccinated. (I know I got my shot earlier this month.)

But, I do have a couple of questions:

I know the vaccine only protects against a couple of strains of the flu (ones that researchers think will be the most wide spread.) However, I've heard that the most common flus so far weren't covered by the vaccine. (However, the vaccine contains the Panama strain, which gives partial protection against the current widespread forms.) Is this information right? Anyone have any information on what strains are out there and how well the vaccine protects against them?

The other question I have is about length of effectivness. I heard someone on the radio (who was not a doctor) who said he was going to get a flu shot, but would wait a while, because he was told that the shot was only effective for 3 months, and getting it too early would mean your immunity might run out at the height of the flu season. Is this true? I know many vaccines don't necessarily protect against disease for a life time, but 3 months seems to be a very short window of protection.

Here are links from CDC that describe the composition of the 2003-2004 vaccine:

2003-2004 flu vaccine

Regarding duration, it typically lasts less than 1 year:

"For most people, October and November are considered the best time to vaccinate. October and November might seem "early" in the season, but vaccinating at this time provides the best protection throughout the flu season. This time period for vaccination is recommended because this timing protects most people during the expected periods for peak flu activity.

Recommended timing of vaccination is based on several factors, including observations of flu virus activity in past seasons and overall availability of vaccine. Over nearly 30 years, peaks of flu activity have occurred most often in February. In some years, peak flu activity occurs as early as December. A vaccination in October or November provides protection against flu during both these periods.

Remember, because circulating flu viruses change nearly every year, and because protection provided by the vaccine does wane over the course of a year, one year's vaccine does not protect you during the next season. You need to be vaccinated every year with the vaccine designed to protect you against the viruses circulating that season."

Source: cdc flu info
 
Another reason not to wait too long:http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=571&ncid=751&e=1&u=/nm/20031205/hl_nm/health_flu_dc

Aventis Says Its Flu Vaccine Supply Sold Out
...
The announcement does not mean that flu shots are no longer available in the medical supply chain, but it offered further evidence of an unusually early and severe onset of the illness.

Drugmaker Aventis SA said most of its production was already spoken for and shipped before the flu season began but recent outbreaks "caused an unprecedented surge of vaccine orders ... which accounted for the balance of our inventory."
...
"We've had a plentiful supply of flu vaccine so far, but it's conceivable a shortage could develop in the next few weeks because it's a bad flu season this year," said Marc Siegel of New York Medical Center. "If a lot of people hear about this year's epidemic and go and get shots, we could go from surplus to shortage."
 
Here is the Sept 26th update from the ProMed Listserv of the International Society for Infectious Diseases. Hope this helps. This is a compilation based on CDC, World Health Organization and other reporting agencies. It is interesting to note that it was projected at that time that vaccine supplies would be sufficient. Today vaccine makers said they were sold out and could not make any more vaccine this season. However, this does not mean there is a shortage as millions of doses may be shelved in hospitals and doctor's offices nationwide. The CDC is sampling for this right now.



INFLUENZA UPDATE 2003 - USA & WORLDWIDE
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Date: Fri 26 Sep 2003
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Source: Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report, Fri 26 Sep 2003 /
52(38);911-913 [edited]
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United States & Worldwide: Influenza Activity Update - May to September 2003
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During the period May to September 2003, influenza A(H3N2) viruses
circulated worldwide and were associated with mild to moderate levels
of disease activity. Influenza A(H1)* and B viruses were reported
less frequently. [* A(H1) includes both the A(H1N1) and A(H1N2)
influenza virus types. The influenza A(H1N2) strain appears to have
resulted from the reassortment of the genes of the circulating
influenza A(H1N1) and A(H3N2) subtypes. Because the hemagglutinin
proteins of the A(H1N2) viruses are similar to those of the
circulating A(H1N1) viruses, and the neuraminidase proteins are
similar to the circulating A(H3N2) viruses, the 2003/04 influenza
vaccine should provide protection against A(H1N2) viruses.] In North
America, isolates of influenza A(H3N2), A(H1), and B were identified
sporadically. This report summarizes influenza activity in the United
States and worldwide during May to September 2003. Influenza activity
in North America typically peaks during December to March, which
underscores the need to begin vaccinating against influenza in
October and to continue vaccination into December and throughout the
influenza season (1).

United States
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In the United States, influenza surveillance is conducted by a
network comprising 4 components, including approximately 900 sentinel
health-care providers who regularly report data on patient visits for
influenza-like illness (ILI) and approximately 120 U.S.-based World
Health Organization (WHO) and National Respiratory and Enteric Virus
Surveillance System (NREVSS) collaborating laboratories that report
the number of respiratory specimens tested and the number and type of
influenza viruses identified during October to mid-May (2). In 2003,
approximately 300 sentinel providers and 65 WHO and NREVSS
collaborating laboratories continued to submit weekly reports after
mid-May. During the period 18 May to 13 Sep 2003, the weekly
percentage of patient visits to sentinel providers for ILI ranged
from 0.5-0.9 percent, and WHO and NREVSS collaborating laboratories
tested 9145 respiratory specimens, of which 68 (0.7 percent) were
positive. Of the positive results, 31 (45.6 percent) were influenza
A(H3N2) viruses, 25 (36.8 percent) were influenza type-B viruses, 7
(10.3%) were influenza A(H1) viruses, and 5 (7.0 percent) were
influenza A viruses that were not subtyped. Influenza A viruses were
reported each week during mid-May to mid-August. Influenza B viruses
were reported for 5 consecutive weeks during mid-May to mid-June and
during the week ending 2 Aug 2003. As of 19 Sep 2003, no influenza
viruses have been reported for September.

Worldwide
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During the period May to July, influenza A(H3N2) viruses predominated
in Africa (Madagascar and South Africa). In Asia, influenza A(H3N2)
viruses predominated in Hong Kong and Thailand and were reported in
Bangladesh, China, Guam, Indonesia, Japan, and Singapore. In Oceania
(Australia, New Caledonia, and New Zealand), A(H3N2) viruses
predominated and were associated with widespread activity in
Australia and New Zealand. In Latin America, influenza A(H3N2)
viruses predominated in Brazil, Chile, and Uruguay. Influenza A(H3N2)
viruses also circulated widely in Argentina and were isolated in El
Salvador, French Guiana, Paraguay, and Peru. During May to August,
sporadic cases of influenza A(H3N2) infection were reported in North
America (Canada and Mexico) and Europe (Latvia, Norway, and the
United Kingdom). Influenza A(H1) viruses predominated in Argentina
and also were reported from Brazil, Chile, French Guiana, Iceland,
New Zealand, Peru, South Africa, Trinidad and Tobago, the United
Kingdom, and Uruguay. In Africa, influenza B viruses were reported in
May (Morocco) and July (South Africa). A small number of influenza B
viruses were identified in Asia (Bangladesh, Hong Kong, Japan, and
Thailand), South America (Argentina, Brazil, Peru, and Uruguay), and
Australia. During May, influenza B viruses were reported in Canada,
Latvia, Mexico, and the United Kingdom.


Characterization of Influenza Virus Isolates
--------------------------------------------
WHO's Collaborating Center for Surveillance, Epidemiology, and
Control of Influenza located at CDC analyzes influenza virus isolates
received from laboratories worldwide. Of 91 influenza A(H1) viruses
(84 from Latin America, five from the United States, one from Africa,
and one from Oceania) collected during May to September and
characterized antigenically at CDC, all were similar to A/New
Caledonia/20/99, the H1N1 component of the 2003/04 influenza vaccine.
Of the 254 influenza A(H3N2) viruses (172 from Latin America, 49 from
Asia, 28 from North America [including 22 from the United States], 4
from Africa, and one from Oceania) that were characterized
antigenically, 178 (70.1 percent) were similar to A/ Panama/2007/99,
the H3N2 component of the 2003/04 influenza vaccine, and 76 (29.9
percent) had reduced titers to A/Panama/2007/99.

Influenza B viruses circulating worldwide can be divided into 2
antigenically distinct lineages represented by B/Yamagata/16/88 and
B/Victoria/2/87. Before 1991, B/Victoria lineage viruses circulated
worldwide, but from late 1991 to early 2001, no viruses of the
B/Victoria lineage were identified outside Asia. However, since March
2001, B/Victoria-lineage viruses have been identified in many
countries outside Asia, including the United States. Viruses of the
B/Yamagata lineage began circulating worldwide in 1990 and continue
to be identified. The B component of the 2003/04 influenza vaccine
belongs to the B/Victoria lineage. Of the 4 influenza B isolates
collected during May to September and characterized antigenically at
CDC, 2 belonged to the B/Victoria lineage and 2 to the B/Yamagata
lineage. Both B/Victoria-lineage viruses were similar to B/Hong
Kong/330/01, the B component of the 2003/04 influenza vaccine, and
both were from North America (including one from the United States).
Of the 2 B/Yamagata-lineage viruses, one was from the United States,
and one was from Asia.

(Reported by: WHO Collaborating Center for Surveillance,
Epidemiology, and Control of Influenza; L Brammer, MPH, E Murray,
MSPH, A Postema, MPH, H Hall, A Klimov, PhD, K Fukuda, MD, N Cox,
PhD, Div of Viral and Rickettsial Diseases, National Center for
Infectious Diseases, CDC.)

MMWR Editorial Note
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During the period May to September 2003, influenza A(H3N2) viruses
were the most frequently reported influenza virus type/subtype
worldwide, but influenza A(H1) and B viruses also circulated. The
influenza virus type/subtype that will predominate and the severity
of influenza-related disease activity for the 2003/04 influenza
season cannot be predicted.

Influenza vaccine is recommended for persons at high risk for
experiencing influenza-related complications (e.g., persons aged >65
years and persons aged 6 months to 64 years with certain medical
conditions), health-care workers, and household contacts of persons
at high risk (1). Influenza vaccine also is recommended for persons
aged 50 to 64 years because they have an elevated prevalence of
certain chronic medical conditions. Because young, healthy children
are at increased risk for influenza-related hospitalization,
vaccination of children aged 6 to 23 months and household contacts
and care-givers of children aged <23 months is encouraged when
feasible. In addition to the groups for whom influenza vaccination is
recommended, influenza vaccine can be administered to anyone who
wants to reduce the likelihood of becoming ill with influenza.

Because vaccine supplies for 2003 are expected to be plentiful, no
staggering of vaccination is recommended. The optimal time for
influenza vaccination is during October to November. Influenza
vaccine manufacturers have indicated that production and distribution
of influenza vaccine for the 2003/04 season is proceeding on
schedule, allowing for sufficient supply of influenza vaccine during
October to November (3). Therefore, influenza vaccination can proceed
for all persons, whether healthy or at high risk, either individually
or through mass campaigns, as soon as vaccine is available.

In June 2003, the Food and Drug Administration approved live,
attenuated influenza vaccine for use among healthy persons aged 5 to
49 years. This vaccine is administered intranasally rather than by
intramuscular injection and offers another option for the prevention
of influenza among the approved groups, including health-care workers
and close contacts of persons at high risk. The Advisory Committee on
Immunization Practices has published supplementary recommendations
for the use of this vaccine (4).

References
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(1) CDC. Prevention and control of influenza: recommendations of the
Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP). MMWR 2003;52(No.
RR-8).

(2) CDC. Influenza activity---United States, 1999--2000 season. MMWR
1999;48:1039--42.

(3) CDC. Supplemental recommendations about the timing of influenza
vaccination, 2003--04 season. MMWR 2003;52:796--7.

(4) CDC. Using live, attenuated influenza vaccine for prevention and
control of influenza: supplemental recommendations of the Advisory
Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP). MMWR 2003;52(No. RR-13).

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INFLUENZA A (H3N2) - NORTHERN HEMISPHERE
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Influenza A/H3N2 Epidemic Continues In Northern Hemisphere
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With an early start, influenza activity associated with influenza
A(H3N2) viruses is being observed increasing significantly in some
countries in Europe (France, Norway, Spain and Portugal) and North
America (the USA). In Canada and the UK, weekly reported influenza
activity has slightly declined but the trend remains unclear.

This season, respiratory deaths occurring young children have been
reported in Canada, the UK, and the USA, with 6 deaths in children in
the UK confirmed to be in association with A/Fujian/411/2002-like
virus. However according to the data from the Office for National
Statistics in the UK, total respiratory deaths in young children are
within expected levels to this point of the year.

Most influenza outbreaks this season are attributed to influenza
A(H3N2) virus. Most viruses antigenically characterized so far have
been confirmed to be A/Fujian/411/2002-like, and the rest are
A/Panama/2007/99-like. Sporadic cases of A(H1) and B have also been
detected in some countries in the world.

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Date: Sat 6 Dec 2003
From: ProMED-mail <promed@promedmail.org>
Source: UK Department of Health, CDR Weekly, Vol 13 no 49 , Thu 4 Dec
2003 [edited]
<http://www.hpa.org.uk/cdr>


Influenza in the UK
-------------------
The early season increase in influenza activity in the United Kingdom
(UK) appears now to have levelled off. Consultation rates for
influenza-like illness in week 48 show little change from those seen
in week 47 in England, and continue to fall in Scotland and Northern
Ireland. In Wales, the rate is still rising but remains below the
baseline level. Consultation rates for influenza-like illness remain
highest in young children and have continued to increase. Whether
influenza activity will decline over the next few weeks or increase
again cannot be predicted. In north America and western Europe the
situation has been similar to that in the UK, with early activity and
the major circulating viral strain being the influenza A H3N2 Fujian
strain.

Deaths associated with influenza
--------------------------------
The Office for National Statistics (ONS) has reported a small
increase in the weekly number of deaths registered from all causes.
This is above the average number expected for this time of year
(i.e., weeks 45 to 47). The increase is not sufficiently large or
sustained, so far, to be considered a significant departure from the
normal range. The increase has occurred predominantly in the elderly
and is mainly attributable to respiratory causes.

A number of deaths in children and infants aged under 14 years) and
young adults have been reported to be associated with influenza
infections. At least 12 of the deaths in children (in England and
Scotland) have been shown to be due to influenza A infection, (7
confirmed as A H3 viruses, 5 of which have been confirmed to be of
the Fujian strain). The increased general practitioner consultation
rates for influenza-like illness in children may reflect increased
susceptibility in younger age groups. A high proportion of children
may be immunologically naive because of low levels of influenza
activity in recent years. If this interpretation is correct, many
children who are becoming sick are experiencing their primary
influenza illness, and it is to be expected that some will become ill
enough to require hospital care and some, unfortunately, will die.
The risk of severe illness is increased, but not confined to those
with underlying chronic illnesses. The A H3N2 subtype of influenza is
usually associated with higher morbidity and mortality in all age
groups than the other circulating types or subtypes of influenza.

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Date: Sat 6 Dec 2003
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Source: UK Department of Health, Joint Committee on Vaccination and
Immunisation, Influenza Panel Meeting, Mon 10 Nov 2003 [edited]
<http://www.doh.gov.uk/jcvi/mins10nov03.htm>


Likely Severity of Influenza This Year
--------------------------------------
The current level of new GP consultations for influenza-like illness
stood at 46 per 100 000 of the population for week 43. To put this in
context this was higher than at the same period for the last 3 years
but still within the previously accepted baseline activity. In
Scotland the rate was 56/100 000 and Northern Ireland 95/100 000. In
Scotland this is just above baseline level, but within the normal
expected range for the influenza season. Although highest in children
and young adults all age groups were affected.

3 school outbreaks had occurred in the Republic of Ireland (one with
high attack and hospitalisation rates) and schools had been affected
in Scotland. Scotland and Northern Ireland had seen severe prolonged
illness in a number of children, and deaths had occurred in children
(3 in Scotland and 2 in England).

All 5 deaths had been typed as the A/H3 Fujian-like strain.

In England A/H3 strains of influenza had been detected in 32 hospital
samples mainly in the under 5 age group. 9 of these had been typed; 6
were Fujian and 3 Panama-like strains. 30 H3 samples had come from
the community (mainly 15-44 age group).

Northern Ireland had 21 confirmed A/H3 samples 13 of which were
hospitalised; Wales had no A/H3 isolates so far.

Australia, New Zealand and Argentina had widespread A/H3N2 activity
during their winter -- predominantly the Fujian like-strain --
including outbreaks, which in Australia amounted to the highest level
of influenzafor 5 years. However, this came against a background of
low levels in the last few years, so as flu goes it was not
considered to have been exceptionally severe.

The rise in influenza activity this year is relatively early, however
it is not possible to predict the likely magnitude of the peak on
currently available data. The UK has had 2 or 3 years of low
influenza activity; the apparent level of activity this year is not
high in the context of our influenza experience over the last decade.

In summary, the incidence of influenza has started to rise steadily
earlier than in recent years. Most strains isolated have been A/H3
strains with no B and very little respiratory syncytial virus; young
children and young adults in the community have been more affected
than other age groups and there have been some reported outbreaks in
schools. There have been deaths in children, but not beyond what
might be expected at this stage of a flu season.

Likely efficacy of the vaccine
------------------------------
Influenza vaccine is made to the specification recommended by the
World Health Organisation. Antibodies from people immunised with the
current vaccine containing the Panama strain do cross react with the
new drifted variant Fujian-like strain. It is also important to
remember that the Panama strain is only one of 3 components to the
vaccine.

Also clinical experience so far does not point to the vaccine being
ineffective. It is therefore correct to say at this stage that the
vaccine gives some protection, and at the least should ameliorate
illness due to the variant strain.

The current situation is not without precedent. Review of the
literature revealed a previous influenza A (H3N2) outbreak in Japan
in 1992/93 season where the circulating virus had "drifted" from the
vaccine strain. Nevertheless, the vaccine was found to be effective
in preventing influenza in asthmatic children, a high risk group.

In summary, it was agreed that the vaccine should give good
protection against the virus strains in the vaccine it is also likely
to give significant if not complete, protection against the new H3N2
strain. It is the best protection for those aged 65 and over and in
at risk groups.

Illness in children
-------------------
Current epidemiology shows that those in the 0-4 and 15-44 year age
groups have been most affected by influenza.

Rates of serious illness and complications from influenza are much
higher in 'high risk' children than otherwise healthy children, but
considering the small proportion of children who fall into a risk
group and the large majority that do not, it is not surprising to see
some deaths in seemingly otherwise healthy children before seeing any
in a child in a risk group. So far this year, total respiratory
deaths in young children are within expected levels.

The group concluded that the current level of reported deaths in
children was not unexpected but the situation should be monitored
closely.

Policy for immunising children
------------------------------
The policy in the UK is to offer influenza vaccination to all
children aged over 6 months in an at-risk group. Immunisation is
relatively ineffective in younger children. The uptake in these
groups, from available records, appears low, however, and efforts
should be made to improve this. (Currently, monitoring of influenza
vaccine uptake is only carried out in the 65 and over age group.)

In the United States, a wider recommendation is made, but it is not
publicly funded, and uptake in children even in the risk groups is
estimated to be less than 10 percent.

Reviewing all available information the policy of immunising high
risk infants and children aged over 6 months is correct. None of the
evidence reviewed suggests this advice would have been different if
reviewed before this year's influenza season started.

Future policy development
------------------------
While first priority should be better implementation of current
policy in high-risk groups, the work already started on burden of
disease in other age groups (adults and children) and the
cost-effectiveness of immunising them as part of a public programme
should be progressed and options developed.

A particular difficulty arises from the lead time required to mount
vaccine production. Firstly knowledge of appropriate strains may be
lacking, and secondly manufacturers require fore knowledge of likely
vaccine needs -- irrespective of strain -- if they are to meet
demand. It follows that manufacturers need to know total dose
requirements as soon as possible, and then the strains to be
incorporated.

A cold-adapted live attenuated intranasal vaccine is licensed in the
United States, for otherwise healthy children over the age of 5 and
healthy adults under the age of 49 years only. It is not to be
licensed in Europe. The timetable for introduction of the intranasal
vaccine planned for the European market is as yet unclear. The Panel
will keep this under review.

Immunisation should be seen within the wider context of prevention
and control measures against influenza.

Summary
-------
Clinical indicators of influenza activity continue to rise in the UK
with the highest rates in the 0-4 year age group, and in the North.

Influenza A viruses are being isolated from community and
hospitalised patients. Of the viruses analysed so far at the National
Influenza Reference Laboratory most have been influenza A (H3N2)
Fujian-like strains which represent a 'drifted' variant of the H3N2
(Panama) strain included in this year's vaccine. The remaining
isolations have been of the H3N2 (Panama) strain. The Group agreed
that the current vaccine is expected to offer some cross-protection
against the Fujian-like strain and should give good protection
against the virus strains in the vaccine.

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[The 3rd part of this post, although some days old, is reproduced
because it addresses many of the queries that have been directed to
ProMED-mail in recent days by correspondents in North America, where
the current outbreak is possibly more severe and causing greater
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[see also:
Influenza A virus, vaccine composition 20031119.2871]
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Segnosaur said:
I know the vaccine only protects against a couple of strains of the flu (ones that researchers think will be the most wide spread.) However, I've heard that the most common flus so far weren't covered by the vaccine. (However, the vaccine contains the Panama strain, which gives partial protection against the current widespread forms.)

The producers of the vaccines have to guess in the spring which new strains of influenza, which mostly originate from Asia due to the close relationship of farmers and pigs, will infect the world.

The trouble with influenza is that it is unusually mutable. Whole chunks of the virus get rearranged. So, predicting which strains are going to be prevalent is very hard.

Your influenza vaccine is probably going to give you protection for years. However, influenza is constantly mutating. Therein lies the rub.
 
What epepke said. I think that they have got it wrong this year, and the strain that looks like it will be the most prevalent is not in the vaccine. The vaccines take a long time to prepare, and therin lies the problem.
 

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