question about homeopathic pills

[Tomtomkent]

So my concern with homeopathy:
There is no study defining the precise vibration of the shake required to cause water to remember. Sure, there used to be talk of hitting a saddle, but no study to see if higher or lower frequency movements also made a "memory".

All our dinking water is disturbed. It goes through water pipes, pumping stations, filters, even bottledwater rattles on the back of a van.

I have done things in reservoirs I do not want the water to remember.
I can think of several things dropped into the sea or washed by floodwaters I do not want water to remember.
I have flushed things down the loo I REALLY do not want to drink.

If hbomeopathy works, it is deadly!

 

[Mojo]

To be fair, though, paper remedies are seen as controversial and fringe in homeopathic circles.

But, as with the grafted remedies, they work just as well as remedies made by the Hahnemanian method.

By the way, there's also a "Korsakov" method of dilution. In the Hahnemann method each step involves measuring out a small amount of the solution into a new vial and then diluting that. The Korsakov method involves repeatedly rinsing the same vial and assuming that 1% of the solution remains stuck to the sides.

And then there are electronic remedy making devices like the one discussed in this thread...

 

[P.J. Denyer]

If you like grafting, how about homeopathic paper remedies?

And here's someone explaining how they work:

And here's some reassurance that orgone / orgonite won't be an issue:

I remember reading about that, I think I suppressed the memory due to the third degree the-stupid-it-burns I received! There was the guy who would 'record' the water memory as .wav files and email them so you could play them to a fresh glass of water too. I think my idea that it's actually a huge game to see who can come up with the stupidest procedure that someone is gullible to believe may have some validity.

Squeegee's right though, this is the fringe and you don't kill a weed by by trimming the leaves. Debunk the idea that you can cure a disease by tickling the back of your knee with the tail feather of a parrot that's been taught to say the name of the remedy and ten minutes later someone will be confidently explaining that 'Parrot Theorum' is obvious nonsense and they long ago moved onto thoughly scientific Minah Birds...... people who will believe this level of dumb will believe anything.

The core beliefs of homeopathy are so absurd that there's no need to target the fringes, but they're mostly misunderstood and the acceptance of it within the NHS and pharmacies lends it a veneer of respectability and credibility it doesn't deserve. I think dragging the central principals of homeopathy into the light are probably enough to kill it, but I find that a lot of people simply can't believe it when you explain and assume that you are lying or don't really understand what you're talking about.

 

[P.J. Denyer]

But, as with the grafted remedies, they work just as well as remedies made by the Hahnemanian method.

By the way, there's also a "Korsakov" method of dilution. In the Hahnemann method each step involves measuring out a small amount of the solution into a new vial and then diluting that. The Korsakov method involves repeatedly rinsing the same vial and assuming that 1% of the solution remains stuck to the sides.

And then there are electronic remedy making devices like the one discussed in this thread...

Yeah I mentioned that on the previous page, I didn't realise it had a special name though 'Korsakov Method' doesn't that sound clever? I guess 'washing up' method was taken?

 

[Femke]

Yeah I mentioned that on the previous page, I didn't realise it had a special name though 'Korsakov Method' doesn't that sound clever? I guess 'washing up' method was taken?

Since homeopathic remedies are often diluted in alcohol I think the name Korsakov is quite appropriate.

 

[jdc324]

I remember reading about that, I think I suppressed the memory due to the third degree the-stupid-it-burns I received! There was the guy who would 'record' the water memory as .wav files and email them so you could play them to a fresh glass of water too. I think my idea that it's actually a huge game to see who can come up with the stupidest procedure that someone is gullible to believe may have some validity.

Squeegee's right though, this is the fringe and you don't kill a weed by by trimming the leaves. Debunk the idea that you can cure a disease by tickling the back of your knee with the tail feather of a parrot that's been taught to say the name of the remedy and ten minutes later someone will be confidently explaining that 'Parrot Theorum' is obvious nonsense and they long ago moved onto thoughly scientific Minah Birds...... people who will believe this level of dumb will believe anything.

The core beliefs of homeopathy are so absurd that there's no need to target the fringes, but they're mostly misunderstood and the acceptance of it within the NHS and pharmacies lends it a veneer of respectability and credibility it doesn't deserve. I think dragging the central principals of homeopathy into the light are probably enough to kill it, but I find that a lot of people simply can't believe it when you explain and assume that you are lying or don't really understand what you're talking about.

Aye. I just saw the 'how ridiculous can they get' line and thought of paper remedies.

I have an idea that the digital homeopathy person was Peter Chappell: http://gimpyblog.wordpress.com/2007...-quackery-subjects-us-to-early-death-instead/ & http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2007/08/will-homeopathy-and-itunes-cure-aids.html & http://www.badscience.net/2007/09/homeopathy-gives-you-aids/