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Queen Ivanka

The Atheist, there is no need to gild the lilly when discussing Trump. Drop the hyperbole as the basic facts of this man and the actions of his family are subject enough for concern. Discussions will only become mired in irrelevant discussions of your over-the-top imagery.
 
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My read as well. He's in it for him, which is consistent with his life to date.

Do you imagine Jimmy Carter's peanut farm or Papa Bush's oil biz were charitable institutions ? I mean it's hardly surprising that a business entity is chartered to make a profit; or that a closely held family biz can be described as 'self-interested'. we're all self-interested - no ?

The question is: will the job change the man? It takes a toll on most, and is much harder than any of them who want it understand until they are in it.

TA's rants aren't of interest to me, but the potential for conflict of interest, given the man's wealth, are. Why?

We had experience at the micro level here just under a decade ago. A local developer ended up getting elected mayor. All in all not a bad guy, but he had to recuse himself on over half of the issues at city council due to conflict of interest that he was aware of, and got accused of a number of cases of the same by his political opponents ... last I recall none of them had substance.

That opponents complain isn't any sort of indictment. OTOH if he had to recuse himself so often that he wasn't performing the duties of office that's a legitimate complaint.

But that's micro level.
Trump's a few orders of magnitude up the scale. The conflict of interest is of concern, since the media nowadays are far less cordial then when, for example, the Kennedy family showed up in the White House.

I really don't see this massive conflict of interest that has captured the imagination of so many. A casino-operator/hotelier isn't any more reliant or beholding on government than any other biz.

That the left-press will hate-on Trump is a given no matter what he does or how he separates himself from his biz and personal advisers. The only way that fact will change is if the conventional partisan press fails financially.

This 'CoI' claim seems to originate from some anti-biz meme that prefers to disqualify anyone in the private sector from running for office. FWIW the only Dem Pres candidate who had any career outside of law/government was Lincoln Chafee - who was once a farrier (shoed horses). The Trump election was clearly a reaction against these political 'lifers'.

If you read any in depth coverage of people who knew and worked with Kennedy, you find that JFK had a very small group of people he consulted with and trusted, and his family were his closest confidants/advisers on a variety of topics.

Think about this: when the Cuban Missile Crisis was going off, JFK spent a lot of time talking with ...RFK. FFS, with a cabinet full of the so called best and brightest, his closest adviser was an inexperienced political hack.

Robert McNamara wasn't exactly a rube in such matters, and why exactly would anyone imagine that most presidents don't seek sound counsel from trusted ppl ? RFK had no cold-war diplomacy experience, but JFK might well have wanted to talk out the options and outcomes with a trusted person as a sounding board. So what ? Next they'll be complaining that Presidents get counsel from their spouses !

I smell the same sort of problem with Trump. He's not a insider, and he won't trust anyone, and barely listen to anyone he has to appoint. (And seriously, who'd work for the man? No record for listening).

IMO that is the real fear. Trump, unlike most CEOs, ran a large family biz where he was presumably the largest share-holder. He didn't have to answer to anyone except family. No board of director (I presume) nor outside shareholders to answer to. That's quite unlike the typical CEO.

I find his personality very off-putting, and some part of that are his East-Coastal (lack of) manners (from my mid-west POV ). No I wouldn't work directly for him - life is too short. OTOH DC-lifers have a very different agenda than I do, and the moths will be attracted to the flame, regardless.


Does he listen to anyone aside from a few insiders ? Is he able to revise his views based on a fair presentation of facts ? We'll have to wait.

So in a round about way, TA's thread offers me an opening to vent: conflict of interest is likely Trump's Achille's heel.

I really don't see that at all.

The CoI regulation doesn't appear to apply to the Pres, but in any case ...

Section 208, in general, prohibits a Government employee in his official capacity from participating personally and substantially through decision, approval, disapproval, recommendation, the rendering of advice, or otherwise in any particular matter in which, to his knowledge, he, his spouse, minor child, partner, organization in which he is serving as officer, director, trustee, partner, or employee or any person or organization with whom he is negotiating or has any arrangement concerning prospective employment has a financial interest.

So if Trump LLC issues him a bond for his fraction of the biz, and he steps down as an active participant in Trump LLC - that is all the 'distance' the law requires.

Note carefully that the restriction applies to spouses and minor children. So say Ivanka running Trump LLC does not create a conflict of interest. Even if she's an 'advisor' this only requires that she disclose her interests. Chelsea running the Clinton Foundation or chatting w/ President Hillary would not be a problem either. OTOH Bills speaking fees to parties in talks with the state department were a clear conflicts of interest while Hillary was Sec-of-State.

The sort of CoIs the law intends to prevent would be making official decisions to benefit himself, spouse, minor children. I don't see that happening in any case, and particularly not if Trump is not an active participant in Trump LLC. It would be far too obvious and would get him impeached, even by his Rep semi-supporters.

Funny how Trump is suddenly the conflict of interest poster-boy while this has gone on for decades ...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli.../gJQAlXwVyV_story.html?utm_term=.3d2d75a937c8
 
The Secret Service is going to have to pay Trump rent in order to do their jobs of protecting his family because they refuse to live in the White House. Not only does he expect them to take a bullet for him, he expects them to pay him for the privelege of doing so!
 
The Secret Service is going to have to pay Trump rent in order to do their jobs of protecting his family because they refuse to live in the White House. Not only does he expect them to take a bullet for him, he expects them to pay him for the privelege of doing so!

It's not unusual for POTUS to charge the Secret Service rent. However, to do so for many months is "unpresidented" as Trump would say. DJT did say he would be the first POTUS to make bank in the office, and he's already proving it.
 
It's not unusual for POTUS to charge the Secret Service rent. However, to do so for many months is "unpresidented" as Trump would say. DJT did say he would be the first POTUS to make bank in the office, and he's already proving it.

All the charm and sense of Nicholae Ceausescu. I wonder if Trump knows about him? He liked to give rousing speeches to crowds of people, too.
 
I really don't see this massive conflict of interest that has captured the imagination of so many. A casino-operator/hotelier isn't any more reliant or beholding on government than any other biz.

Quite possibly one of the more ignorant and tone-deaf statements I've read on here outside of the conspiracy subforum.

Trump's conflicts of interest, which include his cabinet members, are legion.

Trump's hotel in DC is a perfect example. If you want face time with the President, stay there. Otherwise forget it.
 
This woman... knows as little about her voters as Paris Hilton does about quantum physics
Evidence?

Look, you've got this all wrong. Let us agree that Trump is the worst US president ever, and that practically anyone else would be an improvement. So why knock Ivanka? We have no evidence that she wouldn't do a better job than her father - and she's a woman!

I for one would be happy to see her out front and center while daddy stays in the wings (and yes, I too would totally be porking her).
 
Look, you've got this all wrong. Let us agree that Trump is the worst US president ever, and that practically anyone else would be an improvement. So why knock Ivanka? We have no evidence that she wouldn't do a better job than her father - and she's a woman!

Do you reckon she has any black friends? Or has ever touched a homeless person? Do you think she has ideas about how to combat violence, terrorism - including that by the cops?

She might have a heart of gold, but I'd be incredulous if she had a single clue about the actual problems people face. She went to an enormously expensive private school and has lived an elitist lifestyle from the moment she was born, the apple of daddy's eye.

Being a complete product of Trump's loins and ideology (if you could even call it that) I'd be surprised if she were any improvement at all.
 
If only I could find an emoticon to fit this: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11887987

Queen Ivanka's ascension is now complete.

This?:

The first daughter was spotted slipping into Trump's seat at a working session on "Partnership with Africa, Migration and Health,"....

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She entered the session with her father but "briefly joined the main table when the President had to step out", a spokesperson for the first daughter said.

Sounds ominous.
 
Ugh. Anybody sitting in a chair after Trump risks sitting in a puddle of dementia incontinence.
 
If Leslie Nielsen walks in and asks for the Crown Princess Shirley, you'll know the farce is complete.
 

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