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Q's about AE911T

Dave Thomas still doesn't understand what a demolition footprint is.

And we have had this discussion before haven't we?

Can you point me to any engineering or architectural handbook/textbook that uses that term/definition?

It should be easy.

I'll wait for it.
 
Dave, your focus on footprints is simply picking on a minor semantic point. On top of your misrepresenting the argument. Do you not understand it?

The "collapse" modes of the towers are different from that of building 7. Collapse initiation for the south tower (the first few seconds) sees the top coming down through the rest of the intact building, i.e., coming down, impossibly, through its own footprint, but then ultimately disintegrating (and not toppling over, as it had begun doing.) For the rest of the "collapses" we simply see some kind of energetic destruction work its way down the towers from the top, steadily reducing their height, and producing a massive fountain of debris pouring out the top and sides, resembling neither any kind of natural collapse nor any known mode of controlled demolition. This cannot really be called "dropping" into its own footprint--that's just a semantic convenience. But they did descend vertically. On the whole, the towers did drop into the WTC footprint,when they shouldn't have dropped at all. That's the point.

Whereas Building 7 does indeed drop like a controlled demolition, an implosion, into its own footprint.

It's like the way bee dunkers chronically misrepresent claims of "free fall" for the towers when, in fact, the claim is and has always been "near" or "within seconds of" free fall. It's as if you don't understand what's being said.

Moreover, your claims of mass shedding in the towers conveniently shift depending on the argument. When we're questioning the mass available to do "crush down", bee thunkers argue that "really, not much was shed" during the collapses, which is obviously false to anyone who merely watches the videos. But when they want to try to make some point about how the towers didn't fall into their own footprints, they start shrieking about the 16-acre debris field. :D

This is why arguing with the likes of you folks is sort of a joke.
 
Can you point me to any engineering or architectural handbook/textbook that uses that term/definition?

I actually did link to some references in another thread. I can't be bothered to look them up. Demolitioners use the term footprint, and it obviously is not the same thing as a design footprint.

Do some bee-googling. Here are some terms: Demolition. Footprint.

I think it's pretty easy to find.
 
It's like the way bee dunkers chronically misrepresent claims of "free fall" for the towers when, in fact, the claim is and has always been "near" or "within seconds of" free fall. It's as if you don't understand what's being said.

Yes, because (say) 20% slower than freefall isn't much, is it? Just "a few seconds". It is, however, significant.

Moreover, your claims of mass shedding in the towers conveniently shift depending on the argument. When we're questioning the mass available to do "crush down", bee thunkers argue that "really, not much was shed" during the collapses, which is obviously false to anyone who merely watches the videos. But when they want to try to make some point about how the towers didn't fall into their own footprints, they start shrieking about the 16-acre debris field. :D

Strawman argument.

This is why arguing with the likes of you folks is sort of a joke.

Indeed. But we're not laughing with you, as they say.
 
Plus, some of them are totally unknown to the university they're claiming to come from. Some of them didn't know they were on Gage's list. Some of them are... dead.

More outright bee ka-ka.

Which ones are unknown to the university they claim? Which ones are dead? Give us some names, and cite where they're listed on ae. Let's see the power of bee dunking in action! :D
 
I actually did link to some references in another thread. I can't be bothered to look them up. Demolitioners use the term footprint, and it obviously is not the same thing as a design footprint.

You're talking the same cavalier attitude to the English language as you do to facts, I see.
 
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Strawman argument.

It's not a strawman at all. It's what you actually do. (Do you even know what a strawman argument is?)

Bee dunkers literally cannot decide whether the mass shedding was significant or insignificant. I guess, for them, it's significant when they're talking about footprints, but insignificant when discussing "crush down." :D
 
It's not a strawman at all. It's what you actually do. (Do you even know what a strawman argument is?)

Aww bless, first you didn't believe I was an architect. Now you suggest I don't know what a strawman argument is! What next, I wonder?

Bee dunkers literally cannot decide whether the mass shedding was significant or insignificant. I guess, for them, it's significant when they're talking about footprints, but insignificant when discussing "crush down."

Examples?
 
Aww bless, first you didn't believe I was an architect. Now you suggest I don't know what a strawman argument is! What next, I wonder?

You don't appear to, since you used the term incorrectly.

And yeah, it is a little suspect to see someone who claims to be an architect calling himself "Architect" on an anonymous message board. :)
 
And yet, strangely, when it was explained to you that the mods had seen my bona-fides and could confirm my status, you declined to do so. Likewise one other poster here has been in my office, and several of the Mancunians are familiar with my work. Hmmm.

Let the lurkers draw their own conclusion about who is scared of facts.
 
1. I know sometimes highly intelligent people believe in weird things, but has anyone outside of the ae911 actually check up on the 1400 architects listed on the site? I have a hard time believing that many accredited people believe 9/11 was a controlled demolition.

Even the educated can be delusional.

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(he believes roswell aliens are real)

Here you can find educated people who believe the world is 6,000 years old and people coexisted with dinosaurs:

http://creationwiki.org/Creation_scientists

So don't be so surprised that some 9/11 "truth" cult fanatics are educated.
 
Ergo,

Did 7WTC fall into it's footprint? (You can use any definition you want)

Does a demplition footprint usually include other buildings not scheduled for demolition?
 
Dave, your focus on footprints is simply picking on a minor semantic point. On top of your misrepresenting the argument. Do you not understand it?

The "collapse" modes of the towers are different from that of building 7. Collapse initiation for the south tower (the first few seconds) sees the top coming down through the rest of the intact building, i.e., coming down, impossibly, through its own footprint, but then ultimately disintegrating (and not toppling over, as it had begun doing.) For the rest of the "collapses" we simply see some kind of energetic destruction work its way down the towers from the top, steadily reducing their height, and producing a massive fountain of debris pouring out the top and sides, resembling neither any kind of natural collapse nor any known mode of controlled demolition. This cannot really be called "dropping" into its own footprint--that's just a semantic convenience. But they did descend vertically. On the whole, the towers did drop into the WTC footprint,when they shouldn't have dropped at all. That's the point.

Whereas Building 7 does indeed drop like a controlled demolition, an implosion, into its own footprint.

It's like the way bee dunkers chronically misrepresent claims of "free fall" for the towers when, in fact, the claim is and has always been "near" or "within seconds of" free fall. It's as if you don't understand what's being said.

Moreover, your claims of mass shedding in the towers conveniently shift depending on the argument. When we're questioning the mass available to do "crush down", bee thunkers argue that "really, not much was shed" during the collapses, which is obviously false to anyone who merely watches the videos. But when they want to try to make some point about how the towers didn't fall into their own footprints, they start shrieking about the 16-acre debris field. :D

This is why arguing with the likes of you folks is sort of a joke.

No, the "joke" is that you took six paragraphs to dodge defining what a "footprint" is, with references, and yet you still act as if anyone should take you seriously.

Changing the subject to "mass shedding" is not showing your cards, it's dodging the question.

Typical truther polemics, nothing new here...

Oh yeah, regarding "...the claim is and has always been 'near' or 'within seconds of' free fall.":

Yeah, right.



(Set the time to 5:40, or visit this link).
 
Oh yeah, regarding "...the claim is and has always been 'near' or 'within seconds of' free fall.":

Yeah, right.


(Set the time to 5:40, or visit this link).

Lol.

I'm sorry. I didn't know your argument was with Rosie O'Donnell.

Dave and Trifor, do you think demolition experts try to get buildings to fall into their own footprints? Or do they try to get them to topple over or some such other thing?

In other words, what is the purpose of controlled demolition?
 
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Nice Dodge. That thing got the new Hemi?

Anyway, how about you answer a simple question.

Does a CD footprint usually include other buildings?

Did 7WTC fall into any of your definitions of a footprint?
 
Lol.

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In other words, what is the purpose of controlled demolition?

The only two things 911 truth can do with success.

AE911T, not one who signed the Gage petition of stupid can present evidence for their non-claims and moronic delusions. You can't either; oops a third thing 911 truth has success at. Do some more delusional physics; please. Blucher! ... Footprint!
 
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You don't appear to, since you used the term incorrectly.

And yeah, it is a little suspect to see someone who claims to be an architect calling himself "Architect" on an anonymous message board. :)

What are you? Unemployed?
 
So, does a CD Footprint usually include other buildings ergo?

I've answered both your questions. I'm waiting for your punchline.

While I wait, I'll re-ask my question from above: Do you think demolition experts try to get buildings to fall into their own footprints? Or do they try to get them to topple over or some such other thing? What do you think the term controlled demolition means?
 

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