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Bubba said:
Looks like S Dakota started trials around 5 days ago.

Naturally, the reporting on it appears skewed, as could be predicted.
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Of course there are the negative results from earlier studies that you ignore because it doesn't fit your crazy conspiracy narrative.
 
Bubba said:
Duh.



Rheumatologists also said their long time lupus patients using it regularly do not contract ed cv 19.

The problem with Hyd-chloroqne it is that vaccines are where the money is.

Duh.
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Nope. That is false. Lupus sufferers are more prone to C19. Because they are immuno-compromised. Thus they self isolate more readily. Thus they are less likely to contract it.

Nothing but spin from Q to keep that nonsense brewing. Your joy that thousands are dying is pretty gross.
 
https://www.democracynow.org/2020/4/13/detroit_hydroxychloroquine_study_coronavirus

We have all listened repeatedly to the many confused, confusing, and misleading statements coming from the White House in the midst of this pandemic, unprecedented in its scope and existential threat. Responding to all the misstatements would be a full-time job. However, the barrage of reckless comments made about drug treatments for COVID-19 during a briefing on April 5, 2020, requires immediate and strong correction.
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Reckless and irresponsible: the hallmark of conspiracy buffs.
 
While I am open to the possibility that hydroxychloroquinone can prevent Covid, what I, at least, have not seen yet, is a study that breaks down the following (and I welcome any missed news that corrects any aspect of this):

1. How widespread is the benefit? Is it absolute, or a percentage? If it's a percentage, what percentage is that? What is the size of the sample?

2. How widespread are the risks, relative to the benefits, for a general public?

3. Among the population of lupus patients, how many would be expected to contract the virus, and what is the margin of error?

4. Have any untreated lupus patients contracted the virus?

5. How reliable are the accounts at the root of this issue? Has there been a truly scientific study of whether it is actually the fact that lupus patients taking this drug are actually less likely to contract the disease, with a reasonable correction for the conditions under which they live?

6. If immunity is gained by taking the drug, what effect does it have on communicability? Does it make you disease free, or does it make you a symptom-free carrier? If the latter, does the supply of the drug make it possible to decrease total Covid cases, or does it make it likely that there will be more?

So far we have the suggestion that lupus patients aren't getting the virus, but we have not determined just why. It's likely that the drug is responsible, but unless some lupus patients without the drug are getting it, we can't be sure.
 
abaddon said:
Nope. That is false. Lupus sufferers are more prone to C19. Because they are immuno-compromised. Thus they self isolate more readily. Thus they are less likely to contract it.

Nothing but spin from Q to keep that nonsense brewing. Your joy that thousands are dying is pretty gross.
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Another hallmark of conspiracy enthusiasts from truthers to no-planers to Q sheep..
 
https://www.webmd.com/lung/covid-19-lupus#1

Lupus and Your Risk of COVID-19
Your immune system is your body's main defense against germs and illnesses. When you have lupus, you're more prone to infections because your immune system works differently than most people's. It becomes overactive and attacks your body itself.

Lupus affects many parts of your body. And people with lupus may have other health problems. Some can make it harder to fight an infection like COVID-19 . . .
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https://thehill.com/policy/healthca...launches-clinical-trial-of-hydroxychloroquine

While this drug has been widely administered in the hope that it can help people, without controlled research studies we aren’t able to say for sure that it really works," Susan Hoover, principal investigator of the study, said in a statement. "Conducting this study allows us to do everything we can to help our patients now, and at the same time gather critical information that will help patients in the coming months and years.
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We all hope this works, but hope and five bucks won't get you much; medical science will win the day in such matters, if there is a day to win.
 
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bruto said:
While I am open to the possibility that hydroxychloroquinone can prevent Covid, what I, at least, have not seen yet, is a study that breaks down the following (and I welcome any missed news that corrects any aspect of this):

1. How widespread is the benefit? Is it absolute, or a percentage? If it's a percentage, what percentage is that? What is the size of the sample?

2. How widespread are the risks, relative to the benefits, for a general public?

3. Among the population of lupus patients, how many would be expected to contract the virus, and what is the margin of error?

4. Have any untreated lupus patients contracted the virus?

5. How reliable are the accounts at the root of this issue? Has there been a truly scientific study of whether it is actually the fact that lupus patients taking this drug are actually less likely to contract the disease, with a reasonable correction for the conditions under which they live?

6. If immunity is gained by taking the drug, what effect does it have on communicability? Does it make you disease free, or does it make you a symptom-free carrier? If the latter, does the supply of the drug make it possible to decrease total Covid cases, or does it make it likely that there will be more?

So far we have the suggestion that lupus patients aren't getting the virus, but we have not determined just why. It's likely that the drug is responsible, but unless some lupus patients without the drug are getting it, we can't be sure.
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abaddon said:
Nope. That is false. Lupus sufferers are more prone to C19. Because they are immuno-compromised. Thus they self isolate more readily. Thus they are less likely to contract it.
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Good point.

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Bad point: (not even a point):



Your joy that thousands are dying is pretty gross.
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Grumpy today ?
 
Elagabalus said:
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Originally Posted by Bubba View Post
I find my students regularly require a reminder to occasionally pause and ask themselves 'who benefits, who owns media"



https://mronline.org/wp-content/uplo...nipulation.jpg


Originally Posted by Elagabalus View Post
I was thinking he needs to watch this one.

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I assume you put a link there, but I see this:



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When I click on "I agree" it always takes me to the top of the page.

I see that notice occasionally on this forum. Anyone know why?
 
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All these numbers....it canbe so disorienting sometimes.


https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMe2002387

Covid-19 — Navigating the Uncharted


- Anthony S. Fauci, M.D., H. Clifford Lane, M.D., and Robert R. Redfield, M.D.

March 26, 2020

On the basis of a case definition requiring a diagnosis of pneumonia, the currently reported case fatality rate is approximately 2%.4 In another article in the Journal, Guan et al.5 report mortality of 1.4% among 1099 patients with laboratory-confirmed Covid-19; these patients had a wide spectrum of disease severity. If one assumes that the number of asymptomatic or minimally symptomatic cases is several times as high as the number of reported cases, the case fatality rate may be considerably less than 1%.This suggests that the overall clinical consequences of Covid-19 may ultimately be more akin to those of a severe seasonal influenza (which has a case fatality rate of approximately 0.1%) or a pandemic influenza (similar to those in 1957 and 1968) rather than a disease similar to SARS or MERS, which have had case fatality rates of 9 to 10% and 36%, respectively.2

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMe2002387
 
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