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Pyroclastic Ignorance

You know, as a geologist (I have a degree in it, it does count right?) this discussion of 'pyroclastic flow' is so silly, that I can't even work out what it's supposed to mean.
 
Dictator Cheney said:
hot ash is a good point :)
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It would be expected in any fire.

DC, what do those burnt cars mean to you? How would they fit into a conspiracy? I would not expect you to believe in DEW based on your prvious posts, so I am curious about your feelings on this.
 
Disbelief said:
It would be expected in any fire.

DC, what do those burnt cars mean to you? How would they fit into a conspiracy? I would not expect you to believe in DEW based on your prvious posts, so I am curious about your feelings on this.
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woot there was no DEW?? ;)

i dont thaught to much about the burned cars, but in context of the alleged "pyroclastic flow" those cars fit into it.

cause the picture from that parking lot and the cars look strange burned.

and i dont know how that would fit into the CD of the towers.

but my point was that maybe this could lead ppl to belive in a pyroclastic flow.
 
Dictator Cheney said:
woot there was no DEW?? ;)

i dont thaught to much about the burned cars, but in context of the alleged "pyroclastic flow" those cars fit into it.

cause the picture from that parking lot and the cars look strange burned.

and i dont know how that would fit into the CD of the towers.

but my point was that maybe this could lead ppl to belive in a pyroclastic flow.
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Fair enough. I have a way to help anyone who might believe the cars prove something. Put them near a campfire and let them get burned a few times by the ash in the air from a small fire.
 
Disbelief said:
Fair enough. I have a way to help anyone who might believe the cars prove something. Put them near a campfire and let them get burned a few times by the ash in the air from a small fire.
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dont worry, i dont belive in DEW or mininuke.

but afaik hot ash is also found in pyroclastic flows.
 
DC, I think the point here is not whether there is ash in a pyroclastic flow - rather whether there was a pyroclastic flow at WTC.
 
Dictator Cheney said:
dont worry, i dont belive in DEW or mininuke.

but afaik hot ash is also found in pyroclastic flows.
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If you really think that the collapse of the WTC towers generated a pyroclastic flow as vulcanologists define them, I'm willing to discuss it with you, but I can't tell from your posts - so do you think there was one?
 
Blender Head said:
I made this video after being bombarded with the idiocy that the dust cloud resulting from the Tower collapses were "pyroclastic flows", and I figured I'd share it with you folks here at the JREF NWO forums.
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"Aside from natural events, a very tragic example of a pyroclastic flow is what happened on the 11th of September, 2001. Huge amounts of rubble were brought up into the air as the Twin Towers collapsed, the rubble-laden air was heavier than the surrounding air, and it propagated down the streets of New York very rapidly. Some people died as a result of asphyxiation many blocks away, because people's lungs can't cope with very many particles in the air they breathe. From the point of view of fluid mechanics, the questions that were of interest were how quickly the concentration of particulates would decrease, and also how far would the flow travel. It didn't go all the way to Upper Manhattan, but it did go quite a way."
Herbert Huppert, Professor of Theoretical Geophysics and Director of the Institute of Theoretical Geophysics at the University of Cambridge.

What would a professor of Geophysics know about pyroclastics flows? Should I listen to him or the Randians here?
 
Dictator Cheney said:
dont worry, i dont belive in DEW or mininuke.

but afaik hot ash is also found in pyroclastic flows.
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Hot ash is found in any fire with solid combustibles. Burnt cars some distance away from the even t does nothing to prove pyroclastic flows.
 
Naughtyhippo said:
If you really think that the collapse of the WTC towers generated a pyroclastic flow as vulcanologists define them, I'm willing to discuss it with you, but I can't tell from your posts - so do you think there was one?
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i dont think about a pyroclastic flow like from vulcanos.
but hot air/dust/ash that seems to be calle pyroclastic flow by many truthers.
but its hard to say how hot it was. ppl like Dr. Marquis (not sure about the spelling) that filmed how they got trapped by the dust flow, it seems not very hot. but others describe it as hot and very "powerfull"

i would have to look up the name, but there was a report from those 503 firstresponders, that described how her clothes caught fire by that "pyroclastic flow"

i think here we could say, the truthers use a similie. oc it had nothing to do with vulcanos.
 
tanabear said:
"Aside from natural events, a very tragic example of a pyroclastic flow is what happened on the 11th of September, 2001. Huge amounts of rubble were brought up into the air as the Twin Towers collapsed, the rubble-laden air was heavier than the surrounding air, and it propagated down the streets of New York very rapidly. Some people died as a result of asphyxiation many blocks away, because people's lungs can't cope with very many particles in the air they breathe. From the point of view of fluid mechanics, the questions that were of interest were how quickly the concentration of particulates would decrease, and also how far would the flow travel. It didn't go all the way to Upper Manhattan, but it did go quite a way."
Herbert Huppert, Professor of Theoretical Geophysics and Director of the Institute of Theoretical Geophysics at the University of Cambridge.

What would a professor of Geophysics know about pyroclastics flows? Should I listen to him or the Randians here?
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You will of course listen to whoever "supports" your silly theory. Of course, all of this was explained to you in this thread:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3532049
 
Dictator Cheney said:
but my point was that maybe this could lead ppl to belive in a pyroclastic flow.
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Possible but these people must be hellastupid to ignore what a pyroclastic flow actually is and as Gumboot pointed out, the text on Sofia the idiot's video says "high speed" while she says "slow-moving". Anybody believes based on her bs is not ignorant, they are willfull wastes of oxygen.
 
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tanabear said:
What would a professor of Geophysics know about pyroclastics flows? Should I listen to him or the Randians here?
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I know not much about vulcanology. But isn't the strict definition of the word "pyroclastic" one that always involves hot igneous rocks and particulates from volcano eruptions etc? No-one could possibly claim such events on 9-11. Surely?
A source for your quote is HERE the feature there discusses the gravity -driven nature of pyroclastic flows. Can you explain how this particular nature of the phenomenon relates to an inside job on 9-11.

ETA just read disbeliefs LINK HERE explaining some of the terms used in this thread. Seems Tanabear has learnt nothing from the exchanges there. The merry-go-round keeps turning.

BV
 
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Naughtyhippo said:
You know, as a geologist (I have a degree in it, it does count right?) this discussion of 'pyroclastic flow' is so silly, that I can't even work out what it's supposed to mean.
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Ah, so you'll be voting for my May Stundie nomination eh? (canvassing for votes is permitted I presume?)

In fairness, my nominee also retreated to "pyroclastic-like flow", which for my money is even more dunderheaded if such a thing is possible. But I'll bow to your knowledge of geology on this :cool:
 
bonavada said:
I know not much about vulcanology. But isn't the strict definition of the word "pyroclastic" one that always involves hot igneous rocks and particulates from volcano eruptions etc? No-one could possibly claim such events on 9-11. Surely?
A source for your quote is HERE the feature there discusses the gravity -driven nature of pyroclastic flows. Can you explain how this particular nature of the phenomenon relates to an inside job on 9-11.

BV
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an adjective used to describe rock materials formed by fragmentation as a result of volcanic action.
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Pyroclastic (meaning "fire fragmented") refers to broken-up rocks, pumice, ash, and other bits of material that are formed in a volcanic eruption. ...
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Pertaining to fragmented (clastic) rock material formed by a volcanic explosion or ejection from a volcanic vent.
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Lava ejected from its volcano may pick up fragments of rock. Igneous rocks contaning fragments have pyroclastic texture.
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Fragmented (clastic) rock materials formed by a volcanic eruption.
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Being or pertaining to rock fragments formed in a volcanic eruption.
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strictly speaking, a pyroclast is a rock made up of fragments of volcanic rock thrown around by volcanic eruptions, usually violent eruptions. The term refers to volcanically-formed clasts and volcanic ash on the moon.
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composed chiefly of fragments of volcanic origin. [AHDOS]
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Disbelief said:
You will of course listen to whoever "supports" your silly theory. Of course, all of this was explained to you in this thread:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3532049
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So I shouldn't listen to a professor of geophysics when he refers to it as a "pyroclastic flow?" What was explained to me? Nothing, except the fact that Randians like to redefine words to suit their cult like beliefs.

bonavada said:
I know not much about vulcanology. But isn't the strict definition of the word "pyroclastic" one that always involves hot igneous rocks and particulates from volcano eruptions etc? No-one could possibly claim such events on 9-11. Surely?
A source for your quote is HERE the feature there discusses the gravity -driven nature of pyroclastic flows. Can you explain how this particular nature of the phenomenon relates to an inside job on 9-11.

ETA just read disbeliefs LINK HERE explaining some of the terms used in this thread. Seems Tanabear has learnt nothing from the exchanges there. The merry-go-round keeps turning.

BV
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Why do the Randians show such hostility to the word "pyroclastic flow" anyway? If someone said that the huge plumes of dust and debris resembled a pyroclastic flow would this be acceptable?

"At ground zero, meanwhile, the collapsing towers bore little resemblance to a small earthquake but every resemblance to another geological phenomenon: the so-called pyroclastic flow... It was indeed, as if a volcano had erupted, violently and without warning, in the heart of Lower Manhattan, the towers themselves reduced to a shell as meager and flimsy as the one left after Mt. Saint Helens exploded in Washington State in 1980."
After the Earth Quakes: Elastic Rebound on an Urban Planet by Susan Elizabeth Hough

"The equations solved therefore include pyroclastic flow such as occurred when the World Trade Towers fell."
CT-ANALYST:FAST AND ACCURATE CBR EMERGENCY ASSESSMENT Jay P. Boris, Keith Obenschain, Gopal Patnaik, and Theodore R. Young, Jr. Laboratory for Computational Physics and Fluid Dynamics
U.S. Naval Research laboratory


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So is this what a building looks like after a "pancake" or "pile-driver" like collapse?
 
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