Pyroclastic flows at WTC

[Thunder]

This another rediculous theory that the 9-11 deniars now focus on. it took up a good amount of time on "9-11 mysteries".

they claim that the flow of dust and pulverized concrete that ensued after each tower fell, resembled a pyroclastic flow...therefor evidence of a demolition.

first of all, pyroclastic flows move very very fast. not 6 miles an hour...but 30, 40, 60 mph. the flow of dust at the wtc was not that fast.

second, and most importantly, pyroclastic flows..which are from volcanoes...are violently hot. a human being caught in a pryroclastic flow does not live to tell about it. he is turned to dust. the people caught up in the dust plumes at the wtc were no incinerated by it.

thirdly, and comicaly....whats the point of likening it to a pyroclastic flow? are they suggesting that the USGC secretly opened up a fissure in the earth's crust to cause molten lava to destroy the wtc? was it a giant vocanic conspiracy? lol.

its just hilarious how the deniers focus on these useless, pointless elements of 9-11. if they stayed focused on the collapse of wtc 7...which is honestly the most perculiar part of 9-11...maybe they would stand a chance.

 

[Bell]

To bad TruthSeeker1234 isn't posting here anymore (or so he claims).

 

[Oliver]

I never understood what this pyroclastic weedhaze is about.
As far i know, a pyroclastic cloud can travel away from the vent
at up to 450 mph.

 

[BillC]

Isn't the cloud from which a pyroclastic flow forms miles high?

 

[Oliver]

Isn't the cloud from which a pyroclastic flow forms miles high?

I guess - but what has a pyroclastic cloud to do with
anything like controlled demolitions? Some kind of
pyromaniac special effects the NWO planted?

 

[Thunder]

Im just waiting for someone to claim that not only was 9-11 an inside job...but the wtc never actually existed. all those videos of the site? simply the jewish/zionist hollywood conspiracy. and all those people who have memories of the wtc? simply governmant plants, cia agents, or they've been paid off by the nwo.

 

[OMGturt1es]

i've not the slightest idea what that faulty analogy was supposed to ever suggest, but i've found that claim one of the most laughable of the bunch, considering that i've seen so many believers actually refer to the debris as pyroclastic flows, NOT simply resembling pyroclastic flows.

but yes, pyroclastic flows having nothing to do with controlled demolition. nothing. they are formed through volcanism, when the eruption column collapses, and sends clouds of searing hot gasses and debris down slope at incredible speeds. everything in their path is instantly leveled and incenerated, and those with lungs aren't suffocated from the debris, rather, they die from their lungs being instantly cooked.

how anybody first associated pyroclastic flows with 911 is odd enough, but how they became then assoicated with controlled demolition is beyond me. the popularization of the idea simply illustrates the willfull ignorance of the believers, and the implications of its belief shed light on the "faith" many of these believers demonstrate.

believers wish to suggest that the "neat, orderly", verticle collapse of the towers is suggestive of controlled demolition, as controlled demolition exists to bring down buildings in as controlled a fashion as possible, so that debris does not spread far, disrupting lives, and increasing cleanup efforts, but then they attempt to use the violent, chaotic nature of the debris from the towers as further proof that the towers were brought down by controlled demolition. the two arguments together mutually disprove one another!

in related news, i've found that there is a local "911 truth" club in my city. i'm thinking of crashing the meeting this sunday. hmmm...

 

[Bell]

Im just waiting for someone to claim that not only was 9-11 an inside job...but the wtc never actually existed. all those videos of the site? simply the jewish/zionist hollywood conspiracy. and all those people who have memories of the wtc? simply governmant plants, cia agents, or they've been paid off by the nwo.

I saw the WTC with my own eyes and stood on top of the South Tower just 3 months before 9/11. Then again, I work with the 'police' so go figure.

 

[LashL]

Troofers are cultists. They tend to simply repeat what they are told without ever actually doing even a modicum of research to find out what the words they mimic mean. Thus, they all parrot "pyroclastic flow" without even knowing that it refers to volcanic events, not building collapses.

They do the same thing with their silly slogans and chants. They are incapable of rational or critical thought, and incapable of independent thought.

"I see dumb people. They walk around just like everyone else. They don't even know they're dumb."

(Edited to fix the paraphrased quote from "Sixth Sense". It was supposed to say "dumb", not "stupid")

 

[Gravy]

Once I dropped a full vacuum cleaner bag on the floor. The pyroclastic flow killed everyone in the neighborhood.

 

[OMGturt1es]

i wonder if some CT sources are making false claims regarding pyroclastic flow genesis?

i've long held the belief that many of the folk believing this crap aren't necessarily stupid; many just seem to be lazy, and don't check up on evidences cited. in other words, it seems that many simply accept extraordinary evidence without holding it to extraordinary scruntiny.

it seems many folk have been "reformed" after reading gravy's debunking of loose change, suggesting that, untill someone else does their homework for them, these people are willing to accept any evidence, not understanding just how important it is to double check evidences used to support extraordinary claims.

the others, though, that do not change their conclusions after the evidence has been demonstrated to be false, well... i just don't know...

 

[GlennB]

Hoffman at 911research.wtc7.net once published some calculations about the pyroclastic flow of the pulverised concrete dust cloud. Had to withdraw them after it turned out they'd grossly miscalculated the tonnage of concrete in the towers.

They published a second calculation which was woefully dependant on insanely unlikely volumes of water in the Towers.

In both cases they'd taken their figures for general dust composition from a study that had specifically sought out fine airborne dust in sheltered locations at a distance from GZ, i.e. no macro-concrete at all.

Last time I looked the essay was withdrawn entirely, pending ... something or other ...

bottom line - pyroclasticity is for wankers

(working from memory here - except the 'wankers' bit)

 

[OMGturt1es]

Hoffman at 911research.wtc7.net once published some calculations about the pyroclastic flow of the pulverised concrete dust cloud. Had to withdraw them after it turned out they'd grossly miscalculated the tonnage of concrete in the towers.

i still don't get it. they weren't pyroclastic flows.

who is hoffman? why would he attempt to claim that debris form the WTC collapse was a pyroclastic flow? should he have known better?

i'd go check on hoffman myself, but i think it would just depress me. instead, i'll go get some coffee.

 

[WilliamSeger]

i still don't get it. they weren't pyroclastic flows.

Hoffman analyzed the expansion of the dust cloud as if it was all caused by heat, calculating the amount of energy it would take to make a gas expand that far, that fast, then claimed that it was about 10 times the amount of energy available from gravity. Hence, there "must" have been some additional energy source.

 

[Oliver]

Hoffman analyzed the expansion of the dust cloud as if it was all caused by heat, calculating the amount of energy it would take to make a gas expand that far, that fast, then claimed that it was about 10 times the amount of energy available from gravity. Hence, there "must" have been some additional energy source.

And who the heck is this guy named Hoffman? I can´t imagine
how to calculate all the low- / overpressures during the collapse
of such an amount of weight. Anyway: To name it "pyroclastic
cloud" is simply ridiculous.

 

[OMGturt1es]

Hoffman analyzed the expansion of the dust cloud as if it was all caused by heat, calculating the amount of energy it would take to make a gas expand that far, that fast, then claimed that it was about 10 times the amount of energy available from gravity. Hence, there "must" have been some additional energy source.

that's all fine.

my question is, did he call it a pyroclastic flow? if he did, then he's clearly either biased and dishonest, or ignorant.

and yeah, i'm guessing both. it doesn't take much energy to move particulate matter through the atmosphere, and there was an awful lot of both available.

is hoffman affiliated with any university? (dreading the response...)

 

[Horatius]

Im just waiting for someone to claim that not only was 9-11 an inside job...but the wtc never actually existed. all those videos of the site? simply the jewish/zionist hollywood conspiracy. and all those people who have memories of the wtc? simply governmant plants, cia agents, or they've been paid off by the nwo.

No, you've got it exactly backwards. They still exist, and are covered by a hologram that looks like empty space. This way, the NWO still gets to use them, rent free, and they walk away with all the insurance money!

Brilliant!

 

[The Doc]

This gets covered pretty well in the upcoming "Screw 9/11 Mysteries". Which should be out early January. There's been some troubles getting it onto google video.

This is perhaps one of the most stupid theories out there.

 

[OMGturt1es]

oh oh oh!!

i can't wait!!

 

[~enigma~]

Im just waiting for someone to claim that not only was 9-11 an inside job...but the wtc never actually existed. all those videos of the site? simply the jewish/zionist hollywood conspiracy. and all those people who have memories of the wtc? simply governmant plants, cia agents, or they've been paid off by the nwo.

Weren't the towers really a holographic image and the workers there were projections as well and their voices were real time simulations after the NWO took a 10 minute audio recording of each abucted worker.

And five dancing joooos

Hmm wasn't the mayor on 9/11 Giuliani....interesting but isn't the first sylabble joooo? Mel Gibson was right!!!!!!!!!!!!!!