TragicMonkey
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Gary Gordon said:
And you have demonstrated the caliber of rational argument you are prepared to make.
And you have demonstrated the caliber of rational argument you are prepared to make.
epepke
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Darat said:
Indeed.
And if we hadn't negotiated the Oslo accords, there might be some violence in the Middle East today, and Arafat wouldn't have his Nobel Peace Prize. And isn't it nice how Jimmy Carter got North Korea to stop its nuclear program?
Crossbow
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Re: Re: Re: *-=[Putin Blasts Europe...]=-*
Well, since you ask, how about this one from Time magazine?
http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,694639,00.html?promoid=rss_mv
Putin Responds to Terror
The Russian president puts some blame on his international critics — and supports president Bush
Having taken at least some lessons from U.S. politicians, Russian President Vladimir Putin says that his critics abroad are undermining his country's battle against terrorism. In a rare three-and-one-half hour meeting with foreign scholars and journalists, including TIME, Putin Monday claimed that "some circles" in the West were encouraging separatist movements in Chechnya and other parts of the troubled Caucasus region on Russia's southern borders in order to keep Russia weak and distracted. He accused unidentified politicians, security services and commentators in several countries, including the U.S., France, Germany and the U.K., of meddling in Russia's internal affairs. "Do these people have any conscience at all?" he said. "They should be ashamed."
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Well, since you ask, how about this one from Time magazine?
http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,694639,00.html?promoid=rss_mv
Putin Responds to Terror
The Russian president puts some blame on his international critics — and supports president Bush
Having taken at least some lessons from U.S. politicians, Russian President Vladimir Putin says that his critics abroad are undermining his country's battle against terrorism. In a rare three-and-one-half hour meeting with foreign scholars and journalists, including TIME, Putin Monday claimed that "some circles" in the West were encouraging separatist movements in Chechnya and other parts of the troubled Caucasus region on Russia's southern borders in order to keep Russia weak and distracted. He accused unidentified politicians, security services and commentators in several countries, including the U.S., France, Germany and the U.K., of meddling in Russia's internal affairs. "Do these people have any conscience at all?" he said. "They should be ashamed."
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Chaos
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Darat said:
Sadly, I think the possibility for negotiations no longer exists. Who the hell would negotiate with a government whose armed forces killed at least 100,000 of their people?
I predict that the eventual outcome will be: either the war continues until all or almost all Chechens have been killed by the Russian army (and the usual suspects in this forum will call that genocide a "sucessfull operation in the war on terror") or the Russian army withdraws from Chechnya once and for all.
As long as Putin is in office, my money is on the first version.
peptoabysmal
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TragicMonkey said:
This is a complicated issue (people write entire thesis's on this subject) It's more of a civil war with several competing factions.
From my limited understanding of the subject:
Basically, you have Ingush (Sunni-muslims) and Ossetian (Christians) battling it out for conrol vs. Mother Russia. Not exactly a love trangle.
What should Putin do? Give in to Ingush demands to let them create an Islamic state? Give in to Ossetian demands to deport the Ingush? Tuck his pointed tail between his cloven-hoofed legs and let the Chechens* battle it out?
An interesting twist that developed out of this latest attack is this:
China Offers Russia $1.2M in Aid for Terror Victims
* IIRC: Chechen is a term that Russia uses for Ossetians. To the rest of us, they are all Chechens. To the Georgians, Ossetians are not Christians, but pagans. Go figure...
Crossbow
Seeking Honesty and Sanity
Re: Re: Re: *-=[Putin Blasts Europe...]=-*
Here is another article from the Washington Post.
By the way, I am still waiting for your response since you were so anxious to see this sort of data.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A24542-2004Sep15.html?nav=rss_politics/administration
In Rare Rebuke, Bush Faults Putin's Moves to Centralize Power
In an unusual rebuke of an ally, President Bush said yesterday that he was concerned that Russian President Vladimir Putin's moves to centralize power could undermine democracy.
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Although on Tuesday, Secretary of State Colin L. Powell had criticized the effort to concentrate power, Bush's decision to scold Putin before television cameras reflected the White House calculation that he needed to respond directly to Putin's proposals.
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Gary Gordon said:
Here is another article from the Washington Post.
By the way, I am still waiting for your response since you were so anxious to see this sort of data.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A24542-2004Sep15.html?nav=rss_politics/administration
In Rare Rebuke, Bush Faults Putin's Moves to Centralize Power
In an unusual rebuke of an ally, President Bush said yesterday that he was concerned that Russian President Vladimir Putin's moves to centralize power could undermine democracy.
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Although on Tuesday, Secretary of State Colin L. Powell had criticized the effort to concentrate power, Bush's decision to scold Putin before television cameras reflected the White House calculation that he needed to respond directly to Putin's proposals.
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