Pulling a Gun and Running from the Sheriff While Hispanic?

[CaptainHowdy]

Just in time for Juneteenth, another officer involved killing in Southern California. This one might not count because the victim doesn't appear to be African American, although he is a POC. Also, no word on the color of the officer's skin.

Developing story. Stay tuned.

 

[Checkmite]

Turns out the man was an armed security guard, and has a completely spotless record.

 

[smartcooky]

Another young person of colour murdered by being shot in the back by cowards.

 

[Minoosh]

From the link:

Deputies observed the individual, at which point he observed the deputies,” Calderaro said. The individual then produced a handgun and began running southbound away from the deputies through businesses nearby.

No "open carry" in California and he ran ... for his life, possibly. Do these shooters not understand the risks of firing of rounds in a populated area?

 

[Distracted1]

Turns out the man was an armed security guard, and has a completely spotless record.

Does that matter?

 

[Thermal]

Does that matter?

Makes it more inexplicable, anyway. Without a uniform identifying him as a guard, he looks to the cops as just another civilian illegally waving a gun around on the street and fleeing police. And you would think he would have been fully aware of that

 

[TJM]

Turns out the man was an armed security guard, and has a completely spotless record.

As it turns out, he wasn't. Andres Guardado did not hold a State of Ca guard licence, which is necessary to obtain the state firearms license.

Other than that, this one is a head scratcher. I question the deputies accounts as reported - we observed him, he observed us, he pulled a gun and ran away, we chased him down and killed him - The first question being: What was he doing to warrant scrutiny in the first place? It better be something better than just being a POC.

Then there's Guardado himself, who by all accounts was a good 18 year old, not 21 per the link in the OP and therefore prohibited to own and certainly not carry a handgun in California. The handgun allegedly had a loaded high capacity magazine, also illegal in California.

Why does a good kid pull an illegal gun and run away from the cops then? I'd really love more information on this. The LA County Sheriff does not have an incident summary on this yet. Not like I'm holding breath though.

 

[CaptainHowdy]

This is still an evolving story. It's been reported that the guy was an armed security guard but it's also been reported that he was not wearing a security guard uniform and that he is not certified to work security. It's also been reported that the gun he had was "unmarked" and that the gun was unregistered. The owner of the shop who hired him and a family member said that he ran from the cops 'because he was scared'--a fact that none of them could know.

There have been people gathering at the site of the shooting and there's a march scheduled for later this afternoon. Although this is a police shooting, the victim is not the type of person whose life matters enough for the media to care much about it. Also, the officer who shot the guy has not been named, no picture has been published, and the sheriff dept. hasn't fired and arrested any of the people involved. So we can reasonably assume that the guy wasn't White.

A non-White law enforcement officer shoots and kills a non-Black suspect who was brandishing a handgun and fled from officers doesn't quite fit the narrative. I expect this story to disappear down the memory hole over the weekend.

 

[Venom]

The story will probably disappear; the circumstances aren't like what we've seen from high profile police killings of black men like Eric Garner and Philando Castile.

 

[Ranb]

Other than that, this one is a head scratcher. I question the deputies accounts as reported - we observed him, he observed us, he pulled a gun and ran away, we chased him down and killed him - The first question being: What was he doing to warrant scrutiny in the first place? It better be something better than just being a POC....

I would expect any police officer, guard or other security person to always observe what is going on around them. Watching someone near you is not a "head scratcher" at all in my opinion.

Ranb

 

[Mumbles]

Then there's Guardado himself, who by all accounts was a good 18 year old, not 21 per the link in the OP and therefore prohibited to own and certainly not carry a handgun in California. The handgun allegedly had a loaded high capacity magazine, also illegal in California.

Why does a good kid pull an illegal gun and run away from the cops then? I'd really love more information on this. The LA County Sheriff does not have an incident summary on this yet. Not like I'm holding breath though.

The likely answer is "he had no gun", in my opinion.

The story will probably disappear; the circumstances aren't like what we've seen from high profile police killings of black men like Eric Garner and Philando Castile.

That's primarily because:

1) it's a shooting, not a smothering.

2) the cops confiscated the store's security cameras and recording. Once footage gets out...Well, Philando, John Crawford, Garner, Laquan McDonald, and Sandra Bland, among others, all show the power of an actual recording.

 

[Andy_Ross]

Contrary to LASD's story, the manager says Guardado was on his knees with his hands behind his head when a deputy shot him seven times in the back. The manager says deputies then destroyed security cameras at the shop.
The manager, Andrew Haney, says he doesn't think Guardado had a gun. "In the year and a half that I've known him, I've never known him to be armed or anything, he wasn't a gang member, he'd never even been so much as arrested. He was the coolest kid."

 

[Andy_Ross]

LASD claims Guardado was armed and ran before they killed him. But the manager of the auto body shop tells a different story,

"Andres ran down the driveway, got on his knees and put his hands behind his head. Then a Cop shot him in the back 7 times. They broke all the cameras and took the DVR, which they pulled a warrant for after the fact. "

 

[JoeMorgue]

The cops confiscated the store's security cameras and recording. Once footage gets out...Well, Philando, John Crawford, Garner, Laquan McDonald, and Sandra Bland, among others, all show the power of an actual recording.

Look for this to become more common. Police know that footage is the only thing working against them right now so I'd expect security footage is going to be "misplaced" and "confiscated" a lot more from now own.

 

[DragonLady]

Look for this to become more common. Police know that footage is the only thing working against them right now so I'd expect security footage is going to be "misplaced" and "confiscated" a lot more from now own.

I agree.

I think the only response is to immediately fire and prosecute every officer involved in any death wherein cameras "malfunction" or videos disappear.

"No vids, you're all done. End of story."

 

[smartcooky]

Look for this to become more common. Police know that footage is the only thing working against them right now so I'd expect security footage is going to be "misplaced" and "confiscated" a lot more from now own.

Thankfully this sort of thing is not likely to happen here because our cops don't carry guns, but "disappearing" my shop security footage is going to be very difficult to do should this ever happen to me. My shop security camera, as well as recording to a HDD, also continuously livestreams the video in contiguous 1GB blocks to cloud storage where the most recent 48 hours can be downloaded from anywhere. Cops could take my HDD recorder, but getting at my cloud storage will be much tougher (even assuming they are smart enough to know or work out that it is happening).

 

[pharphis]

LASD claims Guardado was armed and ran before they killed him. But the manager of the auto body shop tells a different story,

"Andres ran down the driveway, got on his knees and put his hands behind his head. Then a Cop shot him in the back 7 times. They broke all the cameras and took the DVR, which they pulled a warrant for after the fact. "

Wow. Even if their side of the story was true, except that they did destroy this evidence should that not count as evidence tampering of some sort? I wonder how a warrant like this would work, exactly, and if the dating could be proven to be after tampering took place.

 

[Venom]

That's primarily because:

1) it's a shooting, not a smothering.

2) the cops confiscated the store's security cameras and recording. Once footage gets out...Well, Philando, John Crawford, Garner, Laquan McDonald, and Sandra Bland, among others, all show the power of an actual recording.

I think the scope of the conversation also gets somewhat broader for killings of black people for historical reasons.

 

[smartcooky]

LASD claims Guardado was armed and ran before they killed him. But the manager of the auto body shop tells a different story,

"Andres ran down the driveway, got on his knees and put his hands behind his head. Then a Cop shot him in the back 7 times. They broke all the cameras and took the DVR, which they pulled a warrant for after the fact. "

Hmm. Combine this with the fact that his family had never heard or seen him have any kind of weapons, and that others who worked with him doubt that he had a gun and doubt the police's "he pulled a gun" story, together with the fact the handgun the police claim to have found didn't have any serial numbers or identifying marks, and I start to get very suspicious that a drop-gun might be involved here - they haven't any serial numbers or identifying marks either, the cops who use them make sure of that.

 

[William Parcher]

LASD claims Guardado was armed and ran before they killed him. But the manager of the auto body shop tells a different story,

"Andres ran down the driveway, got on his knees and put his hands behind his head. Then a Cop shot him in the back 7 times. They broke all the cameras and took the DVR, which they pulled a warrant for after the fact. "

This is curious to me. Why break the cameras?

When you take the DVR you take away all of the recorded footage. There is no need to even touch the cameras.

Then they got a warrant for the equipment. This might mean that the (now broken) cameras were collected per the warrant and not just left as (broken) things in the shop. If so, then police now have cameras in evidence that were broken by police. It begs an explanation. You can imagine the gravity of that at a trial or before any trial.

The way I figure, either this is a very odd case, or something(s) that we have been told as being factual is not.