Public Nudity acceptable or not?

Naddig74 said:
Fair's fair it was a bit flippant. I think if people really want to stroll around nekkid they should be allowed to do so.
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Yeah actually sorry about that response, reading it back I was a bit abrupt, I pretty much guessed it was just jokes, but I'm sort of fishing for someone to disagree with me.
 
Two Toed Sloth said:
Yeah actually sorry about that response, reading it back I was a bit abrupt, I pretty much guessed it was just jokes, but I'm sort of fishing for someone to disagree with me.
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There'd have to be some pretty severe checks and balances. Where is the line between 'being free in your skin' and 'getting your jollies from showing your bits to strangers?'
 
Naddig74 said:
There'd have to be some pretty severe checks and balances. Where is the line between 'being free in your skin' and 'getting your jollies from showing your bits to strangers?'
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I don't see any problem with people becoming aroused by themselves being naked... would it be more obscene to be naked with an erection? I'm not so sure.
 
All those who are happy for people to go around naked, try taking the tube train in london during peak working hours, where you will most likely have to spend the trip with a man's bare penis pressed up against your bottom.

If you're extremely unlucky, said penis will be aroused.
 
Humphreys said:
All those who are happy for people to go around naked, try taking the tube train in london during peak working hours, where you will most likely have to spend the trip with a man's bare penis pressed up against your bottom.

If you're extremely unlucky, said penis will be aroused.
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I think I mentioned something about public transportation in my first post.

And I agree that to a large extent with regard to public nudity issues people's focus tends to be on the visual. That's a red herring, though. The real issue is having to be in close proximity to someone else's naughty bits. Or worse, coming into contact with those naughty bits, even if that contact is second hand (my first post again).
 
madurobob said:
I think I mentioned something about public transportation in my first post.

And I agree that to a large extent with regard to public nudity issues people's focus tends to be on the visual. That's a red herring, though. The real issue is having to be in close proximity to someone else's naughty bits. Or worse, coming into contact with those naughty bits, even if that contact is second hand (my first post again).
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Another thing, personal hygiene issues will be exaggerated.

That man you sat next to on the bus who made you a bit uncomfortable because he smelt funny, he's going to smell a lot worse naked.

In the supermarket, a man will lean over to grab a piece of fruit and his penis might rub against an apple you will later unknowingly purchase.

There's just so much wrong with it. So many potential problems.

Will women on their period be allow to be naked, too?
 
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Humphreys said:
Another thing, personal hygiene issues will be exaggerated.

That man you sat next to on the bus who made you a bit uncomfortable because he smelt funny, he's going to smell a lot worse naked.

In the supermarket, a man will lean over to grab a piece of fruit and his penis might rub against an apple you will later unknowingly purchase.

There's just so much wrong with it. So many potential problems.

Will women on their period be allow to be naked, too?
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Not to mention 1/2 the women I know over 50 are mildly incontinent. That is, with a moderately filled bladder an unexpected laugh or cough can cause a little leakage. Would we need to change the public urination laws?

Again, I'm happy for people to be naked in many circumstances where they are not allowed to be today. But, unfettered nudity could be a problem.
 
I think in general terms, clothing is a good choice for most people. In appropriate circumstances, such as at a beach or lake, or a large park or open area, nudity shouldn't be a problem for most people.

The problem is that there are always those few bad apples that can't control their impulses and engage in inappropriate behavior. Many good examples have been mentioned already, such as public (pubic?) transportation, restaurants, and other public places that don't work well with the unclothed.

Certainly, here in America, we have an overly prudish attitude towards the human body. There's nothing inherently indecent about a nude figure, indeed many masterpieces in art are of nudes, but the risk of improper behavior makes clothing a necessity for public spaces.

Of course, I wouldn't mind being given the authority to hand out exemptions to deserving ladies, if they'd so choose. :D
 
Humphreys said:
Another thing, personal hygiene issues will be exaggerated.

That man you sat next to on the bus who made you a bit uncomfortable because he smelt funny, he's going to smell a lot worse naked.

In the supermarket, a man will lean over to grab a piece of fruit and his penis might rub against an apple you will later unknowingly purchase.

There's just so much wrong with it. So many potential problems.

Will women on their period be allow to be naked, too?
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A supermarket can deny entry to people who are inappropriately dressed, they wouldn't have to, but if enough people were bothered about the nudity around the food (or even in a restaurant as I believe was mentioned earlier) then It would be beneficial for a supermarket to do so.

So In away I agree with you that I wouldn't want bits 'n' bobs brushing up against my fruit 'n' veg, so I would take my custom elsewhere.


The issue about women on there periods is an interesting one which I will have to think more about, can I ask though if you think people should be allowed to spit in the street?

madurobob said:
Not to mention 1/2 the women I know over 50 are mildly incontinent. That is, with a moderately filled bladder an unexpected laugh or cough can cause a little leakage. Would we need to change the public urination laws?

Again, I'm happy for people to be naked in many circumstances where they are not allowed to be today. But, unfettered nudity could be a problem.
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The public deification/urination laws would not have to be changed. It could still be illegal to do so, If you can't help it then wear clothes, this will probably not isolate you in anyway as even if nudity were fully allowed then I still doubt most people would go in for it.
 
ohms said:
You probably could in England. Here, being nude in public isn't in itself a crime apparently and is frequently done in the name of art.
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I'm English and wasn't aware it was legal to be nude in public. It's not as simple as that though, is it? You can just walk into a supermarket nude if you want to?
 
ohms said:
You probably could in England. Here, being nude in public isn't in itself a crime apparently and is frequently done in the name of art.
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It's frequently done for ratings too...did you see the trailers for 'Naked in the Office.' A thin 'sociological study' on whether allowing people to come to work nekkid improves productivity. It certainly improves viewing figures.

I think we can see from this thread that the issues around public nudity go beyond the potential for someone to be offended/disgusted:

Infection Control- the genito-anal region is a particularly germy area, especially towards the back. Urine may be sterile at the point of production in healthy humans, but it certainly isn't after it's been drying off for an hour or two. Faecal matter is a vector for some of the nastiest acute illnesses going (e-coli etc).

Warmth- Humanity is a tropical creature and can only survive au naturel 24/7 in the warmest environments. Anywhere else is just too damn cold.

Safety- Even in human societies that have no obscenity laws as such, and who live in a warm enough environment to never actually need clothes to keep warm, people wear a loincloth at least to protect extremely sensitive parts from thorns, biting insects, snakes, overly friendly dogs and small boys with pea shooters.
 
Two Toed Sloth said:
A supermarket can deny entry to people who are inappropriately dressed, they wouldn't have to, but if enough people were bothered about the nudity around the food (or even in a restaurant as I believe was mentioned earlier) then It would be beneficial for a supermarket to do so.
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That makes sense. I would be happy if there were supermarkets where nudity was allowed, and supermarkets where nudity was not allowed. I still believe it should be illegal on public transport though.

Two Toed Sloth said:
The issue about women on there periods is an interesting one which I will have to think more about, can I ask though if you think people should be allowed to spit in the street?
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I think spitting should be allowed as long as it goes onto the street, and not onto anyone else. I think it's disgusting, but I wouldn't make it illegal. Sometimes you literally have to spit, and don't have a tissue to hand. For example, when you cough up phlegm.
 
The biggest problem I have with public nudity is the propensity of some of its proponents to be condescending twits who proclaim that anyone who would rather wear clothes is either a prude or has some kind of debilitating psychological issue.

I know that "think of the children" has already been made fun of here; but if you're concerned about walking in a crowded place and having peoples' softees (or un-softees) slapping against you uncomfortably, consider how tall young children are versus adults, and the problems that would be created from this disparity.

As far as grocery stores...

supermarket can deny entry to people who are inappropriately dressed, they wouldn't have to, but if enough people were bothered about the nudity around the food (or even in a restaurant as I believe was mentioned earlier) then It would be beneficial for a supermarket to do so.
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What do you mean "if enough people are bothered" about genitals being smeared over food products at the store? Do you honestly think there are enough people that wouldn't have a problem with it to make it an issue of honest contention? If you truly think so, why are we here discussing "making public nudity legal"? There's a whole lot of people who have a problem with shoppers touching food with their hands and replacing it.
 
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Checkmite said:
The biggest problem I have with public nudity is the propensity of some of its proponents to be condescending twits who proclaim that anyone who would rather wear clothes is either a prude or has some kind of debilitating psychological issue.

I know that "think of the children" has already been made fun of here; but if you're concerned about walking in a crowded place and having peoples' softees (or un-softees) slapping against you uncomfortably, consider how tall young children are versus adults, and the problems that would be created from this disparity.

As far as grocery stores...



What do you mean "if enough people are bothered" about genitals being smeared over food products at the store? Do you honestly think there are enough people that wouldn't have a problem with it to make it an issue of honest contention? If you truly think so, why are we here discussing "making public nudity legal"?
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Well no actually, I thought that in my post I implied that people in general would not be happy with it (I project that feeling from the fact that I wouldn't be happy with it) hence I conclude that the majority of supermarkets (if not all) would not allow it for fear of losing custom. Thus nullifying the issue of nudity in supermarkets if public nudity were legal.

As for you issue with nudest's opinion towards clothed people, which is your biggest problem with public nudity; for one thing how on earth do you know that nudists feel this way (unless you canvassed opinion within the nude community), and also even if it were true that (unlikely as it is) most nudists feel themselves superior how would this be justification for a law against public nudity.
 
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