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Psychotherapy

Nucular said:
Do people really pay that in America?? Thank god for the NHS...

You wanna talk fees? I paid a psychiatrist $125 twice a week for several years. I paid an MSW $90.

That's because I don't have insurance for such things. With insurance, you pay maybe $15, the shrink gets $65 and the MSW gets as low as $35.

The non-insured pay more than the insured, in part because the insurance companies discount the rates so much that the provider needs high fees to get paid a decent amount. To me, this is the non-insured paying for the discount for the insurance company.

Great system, huh?
 
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Nucular said:
a lot of stuff

Thanks for the detailed answer. That's exactly what I'm looking for.

Interesting story..the psychiatrist and msw that I saw both told me to beware CBT. They said it's great unless it doesn't work, and then the client is in big trouble. I'm trying to understand that.
 
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Jeff Wagg said:

Behavioral Therapy - Nice and testable, but only applicable to overt behaviors. How would you use this with a grief-stricken patient?
Only overt behaviors? This has not been true for decades, although I admit the stereotype of Behavior Modification has not changed since Watson. Radical Behaviorism, of course, is "radical" because of its inclusion of private behaviors...

I am not at my office now, but will expand on this when I can.
 
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Jeff Wagg said:
I've always considered myself somewhat left of center, but I have had a huge awakening and that area. The culture at the school (University of Vermont) makes me rather uneasy at times. As a middle-aged white male (which I'm reminded of CONSTANTLY), I'm coming from a different place than most of the students who are 20-something women.



Let's see, the ones we've spent the most time on:

Freud - I like psychoanalysis in practice, but the theroy part is, in the words of a shink I know, "psychotic."

Adler - Seems like a more reasoned approach to Freud.

Gestalt - Some interesting techniques, but not enough as a package.

Reality Therapy - I like this one. I'll be taking quite a bit from it.

Behavioral Therapy - Nice and testable, but only applicable to overt behaviors. How would you use this with a grief-stricken patient?

CBT - I understand its effectiveness in the short term, but I'm concerned about things like "thought stopping." Where do those thoughts go when you stop them? Do they just dissapear? Freud would say not. I'm not sure.

Narrative Therapy - I don't mind the technique, but the postmodernist anti-reality stuff really bothers me. There's a thread in the philosophy forum about this.

Family Systems is coming next semester.

I know I'll end up being ecclectic, but what criteria am I using to pick and choose?

After seeing that list, I am suprised you didn't mention Viktor Frankl, creator of the 3rd school of psychotherapy.

If I were in your position however, I would do some digging around. From what I have read so far, Frankl's Logotherapy is one of the most effective psychotherapies and it can be applied to a very wide range of patients. To give you an idea, Frankl applied his logotherapy on Austrian High School Students to see if it would decrease suicide rates. To say the least, it was a bloody miracle. There wasn't a single suicide in the entire school population.

Reality Therapy works well too, and if I remember correctly. Again, I'll have to dig around on that.
 
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Theodore Kurita said:
After seeing that list, I am suprised you didn't mention Viktor Frankl, creator of the 3rd school of psychotherapy.

If I were in your position however, I would do some digging around. From what I have read so far, Frankl's Logotherapy is one of the most effective psychotherapies and it can be applied to a very wide range of patients. To give you an idea, Frankl applied his logotherapy on Austrian High School Students to see if it would decrease suicide rates. To say the least, it was a bloody miracle. There wasn't a single suicide in the entire school population.

Reality Therapy works well too, and if I remember correctly. Again, I'll have to dig around on that.

Existential theory was covered in class, and Frankl was included in that. I should have mentioned it. I like logotherapy, although it seems unpopular at school. (I'm not judging these theories on popularity, trust me!)
 
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Theodore Kurita said:
... Frankl's Logotherapy is one of the most effective psychotherapies and it can be applied to a very wide range of patients. To give you an idea, Frankl applied his logotherapy on Austrian High School Students to see if it would decrease suicide rates. To say the least, it was a bloody miracle. There wasn't a single suicide in the entire school population.
I Frankl-y don't believe that.
Show me the data.
 

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