Psychokinesis (vidéo)

[Ashles]

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I thought I had deleted it but I've still got it.

Okay - what did it say in its entirety?

She can be using her hands to help her focus on movement ( in other films she doesn't use the hands).

So she didn't need to use her hands, but sometimes she did.

Hmmm...

 

[CFLarsen]

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1) Despite numerous accusations and slanderous remarks against Nina Kulagina by magicians such as James Randi, claiming she uses threads, no one has ever proven she does.

She is the one who has to prove that she doesn't use threads. OK?

If I can do the same, and you can't prove that I use threads, are you going to believe that I have psychic powers?

2) Scientists both within and outside the soviet union tested the hypothesis of trickery using threads/hairs repeatedly, several times over a period of not less than 10 years.

Evidence?

3) James Randi himself replied to an email I sent to him enquiring about Nina Kulagina. He said the thread could clearly be seen in the film. I can't see it at all never mind see it clearly. He also accuses Nina Kulagina of using threads in a book he wrote. Can't he ( with the assistance of a film expert ), zoom in on the image of Kulagina's hands as was done in the film with the French psychic.

The quality of this video clip is rather poor. I suspect that the real video is much sharper.

 

[Garrette]

Invisible thread (a trade name, not an actual description) is my guess on the first video, too, though magnets could work. And they would not have to be under the table.

For the spoon video, no difficult pre-treatment is necessary (i.e., a blowtorch or special acid), nor is it required to be already broken and balanced.

Banachek's video on spoon bending will demonstrate how to do this.

Hint: it probably required more than one filming, though there is no camera trick involved.

 

[jambo372]

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She is the one who has to prove that she doesn't use threads. OK?

If I can do the same, and you can't prove that I use threads, are you going to believe that I have psychic powers?



Evidence?



The quality of this video clip is rather poor. I suspect that the real video is much sharper.

Whether or not she's genuine your accusation remains unproven.

The evidence of research is in reports written by Vasiliev, Sergeyev etc. The video itself was made by Sergeyev and colleagues in Leningrad during February 1968.

You still have not proven what Randi said about the thread being visible.

 

[Azrael 5]

Jambo,can't you find anyone who is alive with telekinesis?! Instead of boring us rigid with rubbish like this? She is moving back in her chair.Why?

Telekinesis
n : the power to move something by thinking about it without the application of physical force [syn: psychokinesis]

"THINKING",jambo.You should try it.

 

[CFLarsen]

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Whether or not she's genuine your accusation remains unproven.

If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, then it's a duck....

There is similarly no evidence whatsoever that she is a real psychic.

The evidence of research is in reports written by Vasiliev, Sergeyev etc. The video itself was made by Sergeyev and colleagues in Leningrad during February 1968.

Where can I find them? Have you read these reports?

You still have not proven what Randi said about the thread being visible.

Huh? How can I prove what Randi saw??

 

[Ashles]

And can we read what Randi wrote in his e-mail?

Or has the excuse change from "I can't find it" to "I deleted it" to "I thought I deleted it but didn't but you still can't read it"...

What next? Dog ate it?

 

[CFLarsen]

jambo,

Read this article: With the right mix of metals, you can make an alloy that turns to liquid at any temperature you choose

Do you think it is possible that the spoon was made of such an alloy?

 

[Azrael 5]

Ashles PM you.

 

[thaiboxerken]

It's rather pathetic that bleevers use these types of clips as their definitive evidence that people can have superpowers.

I have to wonder, Jambo, why can't you just enjoy comic-books without actually believing that people have such powers?

 

[delphi_ote]

Same old tricks.

*applause* Well said, Luke. Well said.

 

[Garrette]

Originally posted by CFLarsen:

Read this article: With the right mix of metals, you can make an alloy that turns to liquid at any temperature you choose

Do you think it is possible that the spoon was made of such an alloy?

I suspect you are simply trying to demonstrate different possible methods to jambo, but such effort is not needed.

This effect can be achieved quite easily with a garden variety, everday, cheap metal spoon.

 

[CFLarsen]

I suspect you are simply trying to demonstrate different possible methods to jambo, but such effort is not needed.

This effect can be achieved quite easily with a garden variety, everday, cheap metal spoon.

Absolutely. But I think that method is quite clever...

 

[dharlow]

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Originally posted by jambo372
The evidence of research is in reports written by Vasiliev, Sergeyev etc. The video itself was made by Sergeyev and colleagues in Leningrad during February 1968.

Originally posted by CFLarsen
Where can I find them? Have you read these reports?

I would second this question (indeed I asked it some time ago, and did not receive a reply).

The reports on Kulagina are primarily in Russian. Have you read the original reports on her? (I'm not talking about summaries of these reports in pro-paranormal literature but the actual reports)

 

[jambo372]

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I would second this question (indeed I asked it some time ago, and did not receive a reply).

The reports on Kulagina are primarily in Russian. Have you read the original reports on her? (I'm not talking about summaries of these reports in pro-paranormal literature but the actual reports)

I've read the translated extracts.

 

[Ashles]

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I've read the translated extracts.

Where did you read them? What publication?

 

[jambo372]

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Where did you read them? What publication?

Psychic discoveries behind the iron curtain by Lynn Schroeder and Sheila Ostrander. Others also.

 

[Ashles]

Wil try to check it out.

ETA: I have already found some references to it:
Amazon reviews
The first guy doesn't seem so keen:

This is another book by the comedy duo Schroeder and Ostrander - the gullible pair who were obviously duped into believeing pro-Soviet hype for a "magic" learning system called "Superlearning" that they put together after so called demonstrations of wonderous and effortless learning in communist Bulgaria in the 70's. You only need to read my other reviews to see just what I think of the crap the Superlearning company produces! Anyway, it looks like they also fell for more hype and propaganda from Russia this time! Look at some of the titles in the book "Is it getting crowded on the moon?"!!! Come on! Some of the accounts they give are just so obviously contrived, such as the 8 foot alian who landed in Voronezh and took a stroll through a crowded square with his smaller companion that he called "robot". Robot? You mean he/it said that in English or Russian? Maybe it was Czech, after all "robot"is a word coined by a Czech author! It isn't Star Trek where every life form speaks English for our benefit! How they could be taken in I'll never know...or were they taken in? It's a good money spinner, after all! And just who provided all the statistics and experimental findings? It wasn't the same kind of people who gave them the "facts" about Suggestopedia and those convoluted retention rates, was it? I'm sure the Soviets were totally decent people who wouldn't dream of making things up, would they. Next the'll be saying that the moon landings never took place. I ask you!!! This title is another piece of idiotic fiction to add to your "Superlearning" collection.

If that is the kind of content of the book I'm not so sure it will be particularly helpful.
It would be nice to find some more direct studies of Nina.

 

[Azrael 5]

Here is a website with some extra footage(possibly?)and asks some good questions.
Nina K

 

[Beth]

I have a question. Given the obvious amateur quality of these videos and the ease with which such feats can be done by trickery rather than psychic powers, what would a video need to show in order to considered evidence?

Not that I think the videos referenced in this thread are real, but rather if someone could do such a thing, how would it need to be videotaped to be considered real rather than trickery?

Beth