Psychics fight over business leads to attack?

[rjh01]

Though I generally do not support vandalism, I have ripped down and thrown out advertisements for psychics at my school. So much so that questions started being asked about why all the flyers for so and so service kept going missing. And a stern warning not to remove or destroy any flyers went up.
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You do not need to destroy such ads. Just alter the contact details. Do it right and it would be hard to spot. That way they stay there and are 100% worthless.

 

[EeneyMinnieMoe]

Hilarious. [/sarcasm]It seems from the article that it is a rival psychic! And no psychic deserves to be physically attacked no matter how little patience you happen to have for their knowing or unwitting fraudulent activities!! Wouldn't you say there are more humane ways of dealing with them than physically attacking them and threatening their child?

And no, this attack probably won't work out for the long-term good because she can't tell who the attacker was. If anything, people who hear skeptics gloating and laughing will end up with more sympathy for psychics, or at least more interest in them due to the publicity!

You are absolutely right. It's wrong to threaten or harass anyone (which I didn't condone) and there's a big difference between making their signs disappear (something I've admit I've done) and stalking them (something I'd never do to anyone).

If this is a disgruntled client or a skeptic with an agenda, they can get their message out in other ways. If this is a rival psychic, that's kind of ironic and amusing in a dark way- but that person should be ashamed.

According to this, she was actually attacked:

http://www.stamfordadvocate.com/ci_12848124?source=most_viewed

 

[Foolmewunz]

That's pretty much the same article as the OP (and same author, so I'm sure he sent it out around the state and a few have picked up on it).

So? My spidey sense is still tingling. "There's another psychic coming to the area?" That just sounds so melodramatic. What about the psychics that are already there? Greenwich/Stamford is a pretty big community. There are already psychics practicing there. Why's she heard of another one coming and assumes it's him/her who's having her attacked, and not one of the established psychics.

Has the news contacted the other psychics in the area? Are they being threatened?

I just don't like this article or story behind it.

 

[Baby Nemesis]

You are absolutely right. It's wrong to threaten or harass anyone (which I didn't condone) and there's a big difference between making their signs disappear (something I've admit I've done) and stalking them (something I'd never do to anyone).

If this is a disgruntled client or a skeptic with an agenda, they can get their message out in other ways. If this is a rival psychic, that's kind of ironic and amusing in a dark way- but that person should be ashamed.

According to this, she was actually attacked:

http://www.stamfordadvocate.com/ci_12848124?source=most_viewed

The other article said she was attacked as well.

Sorry, perhaps my post was an over-reaction. I didn't mean to imply that I thought you might do anything personally to them, or that you might genuinely approve of violence against them; I was just aghast and mind-boggled, sickened and appalled, disgusted, indignant and horrified, scandallised and outraged, angry and vexed, perturbed and grossed out, disturbed, and most of all ... well OK, that's a bit of an exaggeration. And I'll make it simpler: I just didn't like the way you responded to an account of an attack on a psychic that left her needing hospital treatment, and threats she said were made about her son over the phone, by more-or-less just suggesting you didn't have much patience with the likes of her, and saying it would be funny if it was another psychic who did it. I'd have agreed with you if the story had been about something fairly trivial, like a psychic missing her bus because someone didn't see her coming and spilled a drink down her, and she thought she'd have time to go home and change, so it might have been another psychic who didn't see her coming, and then she didn't foresee that she'd miss her bus if she went home first.

 

[Foolmewunz]

The "other article" is the same article.


(sheeesh!)

 

[Baby Nemesis]

The "other article" is the same article.


(sheeesh!)

Oh really? So now I know: *Add spooky echo* Never take the word of a Foolmewunz! It wasn't so long ago at all, ... in fact it was only a matter of hours ago, that you said, apparently as it seems now in a bizarre and arcane, possibly vaguely sinister attempt to mislead:

That's pretty much the same article as the OP (and same author, so I'm sure he sent it out around the state and a few have picked up on it).

 

[Foolmewunz]

Oh really? So now I know: *Add spooky echo* Never take the word of a Foolmewunz! It wasn't so long ago at all, ... in fact it was only a matter of hours ago, that you said, apparently as it seems now in a bizarre and arcane, possibly vaguely sinister attempt to mislead:

Suggestion: Read the two articles.


(Just a suggestion. You can continue prattling on if you want, but in the interim, I actually read the two and compared. "Apparently" was politesse - it's got the same byline for Ed's sake!)

 

[Baby Nemesis]

Just what is the great significance of this? Why is it such a big deal that I used the word "other" when I mentioned the article linked to in the OP that you should feel the need to write not just one but two posts insistently proclaiming that they're the same article? Really, just what is the point? Do you not have better things to do with a Saturday afternoon than nit-pick? Or do you have a point buried somewhere that you have thus far forgotten to bring to the fore?

The only point I was inferring by even mentioning the article was that it seemed strange to me that EeneyMinnieMoe should be saying that the article she herself was linking to said the psychic had actually been attacked, when the one linked to in the OP made that extremely clear. She seemed to be inferring that she'd somehow missed it.

Now why you feel this particular issue needs to be raked over above everything else posted today, I don't know. Perhaps you'd like to explain?

 

[Foolmewunz]

I don't know that it really needs explaining. There's a single article, mostly, it seems, based on her police report. It's been released to a couple of papers. It has no corroborating evidence or conclusions from the investigation and it seems to have illogic in it.

In such cases, I'd rather see something with a little more meat, e.g. the results of the police investigation. I don't think we're going to see it. And when Eenie pointed out the article, I thought it might be worth noting that it's the same article in a different paper. When you referred to it as the "other" article, I pointed it out again.

As I said, I have a problem (or several) with the story and with everyone being willing to accept, perhaps for the humor value - perhaps for the woo-bashing value, that the story holds water. When that girl claimed in a police report that she'd been jumped and had a (backwards) B carved in her cheek by Obama supporters, the possibility that it was a fabrication was leaped on by liberals and conservatives alike. This story has all the same elements, just a different setting.

I'm taking the skeptical view of the evidence, which is not evidence, but merely hearsay.

Two police departments. One says they received her report of the attack and are investigating. The other says they received her complaint about harassment and have heard that the other police department is investigating the reported attack. Neither says anything about the evidence, witnesses, etc...

Further, there are a dozen psychics practicing in her area. The "new psychic coming to town" bit just doesn't ring true.

If everyone wants to believe that psychics are duking it out in the streets, that's everyone's prerogative. I think it smell's fishy.

That's all. Not of earth-shattering importance, but yet significant enough to me in how I choose to look at things.

 

[jakesteele]

Though I generally do not support vandalism, I have ripped down and thrown out advertisements for psychics at my school.

Who died and made you the Thought and Speech Control Police? It's called "Freedom of Speech". If a majority rule of students/faculty want them down, they will decide the case on its own merits, not yours. They don't need someone like you arrogantly and imperiously making those decisions for them by jamming their belief system down their throats.

 

[VisionFromFeeling]

"This town is not big enough for the two woo of us."

I'm sorry. What has happened is horrible. No one should be assaulted like that.

 

[EeneyMinnieMoe]

Sorry, my mistake.

I somehow missed the first few lines in the OP and thought the article was about the lady getting threatening phone calls, so I thought a newer article had now reported she'd been assaulted.

 

[RichardR]

Connecticut psychic Janet Lee is being driven out of business by another psychic, only she doesn't know who it is, where they are, when it'll end, how it'll end, where they come from, etc. So she's having the police look into it.

Why? Can't she just figure it all out using psychic powers?

 

[Ernie M]

I feel there is something fishy about this story.

Janet Lee, a "psychic" gets a black eye and a cut on her face outside her office about midnight on a Friday night?

• What was she doing at her office about midnight on a Friday night?
• If the alleged man who beat her with his fists said he was going to kill her, why didn't he kill her at that time?
• If she received harassing phone calls, the "Local psychic attacked in Greenwich" article didn't mention if Ms. Lee used the Call Trace *57 telephone feature to log the harassing calls with her local police department. This may not have been possible if she received a call after the alleged harassing call, but before she would have dialed the Call Trace *57.
• The phone caller never said they were going to hurt Ms. Lee, but yet the person who allegedly hit her said he was going to kill her- why the discrepancy?
• Was a trace DNA sample taken at the hospital from Ms. Lee from where she was beaten, right after the attack, so that there could be a DNA profile made of the alleged attacker?

I am highly suspicious about the events as described by Janet Lee.

 

[Baby Nemesis]

Who died and made you the Thought and Speech Control Police? It's called "Freedom of Speech". If a majority rule of students/faculty want them down, they will decide the case on its own merits, not yours. They don't need someone like you arrogantly and imperiously making those decisions for them by jamming their belief system down their throats.

There are several things wrong with that little paragraph, not least of which is the logical fallacy of assuming that if the majority of students want them down, they'll all organise together in a discussion committee and take a considered decision to petition the principal to have them taken down. You also jump to conclusions about EeneyMinnieMoe's motives that are totally unfounded. How can you imagine you are critically thinking in the least when you accuse someone of being arrogant and imperious when there are so many other possible attitudes behind her behaviour, including one which I'd assume to be more likely - a desire to protect vulnerable students from spending lots of their money for nothing, or from getting advice that turns out to harm them. That kind of thing happens all too often. See these articles, for instance:

An intrepid reporter does hard time in the telepsychic trenches

... I turned the cards over slowly, one by one, making little exclamations like "ohh ..." and "mmm." I told her I sensed that there was a very important man whose life had recently been disrupted by something from his past.

"Ah! He is very handsome!" I said, trying to make my voice reverberate deeply. I thought I detected a note of quiet desperation in her voice as she agreed.
Shyly, she asked me how the man from her past felt about her now, and I told her that the cards said that his love for her had never died. This, of course, was exactly what she wanted to hear. Barbara wanted permission to follow a path of action that her better judgment warned her was pure folly.

This was the first time Barbara had ever called a psychic hotline, and she said she did it only because she was "so worked up and didn't know what else to do." In her vulnerable state, she had seen the ad on TV and decided to "just give it a try." After all, the first three minutes were free. If she wasn't satisfied by then she could just hang up. Of course, a large portion of the first free three minutes of a pay-per-call are used up in phone menus and routing. ...

Psychic Scams

Mrs. Sonia pulled out the death card, and proceeded to inform Lisa that someone in her family was very ill and was going to die. The news struck a chord with Lisa because her sister was diagnosed with leukemia and was undergoing chemotherapy treatments; moreover, her 17-year-old cousin had died recently.

"I was like, 'Omigod.' I was shocked," recalls Lisa. "She then told me that I had a lot of darkness in my life caused by a curse."

Gauging the concern rising in Lisa, Mrs. Sonia knew that she had found an opening into Lisa. Mrs. Sonia told Lisa if she returned for more readings and healings, she could help her sister. ...

She did some research and found out that sting operations in other cities like Boston, Baton Rouge and Los Angeles had busted psychics who swindled hundreds of thousands of dollars out of unsuspecting victims.

There are plenty more where those came from. Wanna browse some more?

I feel there is something fishy about this story.

Janet Lee, a "psychic" gets a black eye and a cut on her face outside her office about midnight on a Friday night?

• What was she doing at her office about midnight on a Friday night?
• If the alleged man who beat her with his fists said he was going to kill her, why didn't he kill her at that time?
• If she received harassing phone calls, the "Local psychic attacked in Greenwich" article didn't mention if Ms. Lee used the Call Trace *57 telephone feature to log the harassing calls with her local police department. This may not have been possible if she received a call after the alleged harassing call, but before she would have dialed the Call Trace *57.
• The phone caller never said they were going to hurt Ms. Lee, but yet the person who allegedly hit her said he was going to kill her- why the discrepancy?
• Was a trace DNA sample taken at the hospital from Ms. Lee from where she was beaten, right after the attack, so that there could be a DNA profile made of the alleged attacker?

I am highly suspicious about the events as described by Janet Lee.

Oh come on, you just wouldn't expect the media to report minute details like that! Never assume that just because they haven't told you the entire story in scrupulous detail, there's something wrong with it, or that just because things didn't go exactly the way you happen to think they would have done if everyone was behaving the way you'd expect in an ideal crime drama scenario, that there's something intrinsically wrong with the story in itself.

 

[EeneyMinnieMoe]

That's exactly what it is. You see the harm psychics and mediums can do, you don't want anyone going to them and resent them being allowed to advertise in your neighborhood, place of work, school, etc.

There are some woos that are harmless enough but psychics aren't one of them. Except for medical woo and maybe regular con artists, they are the most dangerous frauds in the world.

I've also taken Kevin Trudeau books off the shelves at book sales and at my local library. I think one is still behind the radiator.

 

[Ernie M]

[...]

Oh come on, you just wouldn't expect the media to report minute details like that! Never assume that just because they haven't told you the entire story in scrupulous detail, there's something wrong with it, or that just because things didn't go exactly the way you happen to think they would have done if everyone was behaving the way you'd expect in an ideal crime drama scenario, that there's something intrinsically wrong with the story in itself.

No, I don't expect the media to report minute details, although sometimes it would be nice if they did.

I still say (even though it seems you disagree) that there's something fishy about the story.

Hey, you don't think Janet Lee is learning-challenged, do you? I mean, the article quotes Ms. Lee as saying:

"I am not able to read for myself or my children."

 

[Foolmewunz]

Ernie,
I hope there's a little sarcastic smiley implicit in your last post, there.

 

[Questioninggeller]

...
As I said, I have a problem (or several) with the story and with everyone being willing to accept, perhaps for the humor value - perhaps for the woo-bashing value, that the story holds water. When that girl claimed in a police report that she'd been jumped and had a (backwards) B carved in her cheek by Obama supporters, the possibility that it was a fabrication was leaped on by liberals and conservatives alike. This story has all the same elements, just a different setting.

I'm taking the skeptical view of the evidence, which is not evidence, but merely hearsay.

Two police departments. One says they received her report of the attack and are investigating. The other says they received her complaint about harassment and have heard that the other police department is investigating the reported attack. Neither says anything about the evidence, witnesses, etc...
...

I agree. I'm skeptical about her version of events too, which is why I put the question mark in the thread title.

Why would she be at work late-night on Friday?

 

[Ernie M]

Ernie,
I hope there's a little sarcastic smiley implicit in your last post, there.

Yes, there was a little sarcastic smiley intended for my last post.

I was going to include a , but I tried to exercise some restraint. Besides, I haven't figured a way to make it bigger than this size. I feel that Janet would want a big