"Psychics" and their tricks and how are they performed

[Setsurinvich]

Recently I have found that someone made a documentary about a para psychologist that disappeared several decades ago named Jacobo Grinberg and his work. One of the most famous subjects he wrote about was a "psychic" healer named Pachita. I had previously written about this "psychic" in the past on the forum. But the recent mention has gotten me curious about something, how would a stage magician be able to replicate some of her "psychic surgery" there were several photos were there was quite a bit of "blood" how much "blood" could a stage magician palm to use for these kinds of tricks?

Here is an example in the second picture there seems to be quite a bit of "blood" could enough blood be palmed by a magican to make such a mess, and also i think that blood would not flow like that if the "psychic" really did make an actual incision no?
https://image.slidesharecdn.com/los...anes-de-mexcio-vol-6-73-728.jpg?cb=1319979615

 

[alfaniner]

The blood isn't just palmed. Both it and the "guts" are in the dishes used to wash up and discard waste.

James Randi demonstrated exactly this on the Tonight Show with Johnny Carson. I'm sure if you are interested it should be easy enough to find.

 

[Setsurinvich]

but what about my observations on the blood flow and how the "incision" looks on the "patients" body? Would you say they are accurate?

 

[Gord_in_Toronto]

but what about my observations on the blood flow and how the "incision" looks on the "patients" body? Would you say they are accurate?

No. The trick is easily duplicated.



Randi demonstration.

 

[Setsurinvich]

No. The trick is easily duplicated.



Randi demonstration.

I am saying how the blood flow and the "incision" doesnt look like an actual opening in a person's body and asking if my observations are accurate

 

[xjx388]

No. The trick is easily duplicated.



Randi demonstration.

Randi was just awesome.

 

[xjx388]

I am saying how the blood flow and the "incision" doesnt look like an actual opening in a person's body and asking if my observations are accurate

Well, they are accurate because it’s not an actual incision. The gore of it is supposed to be distracting and serve as a cover for the chicanery going on.

 

[Setsurinvich]

Well in the second picture of the link i provided were there is supposedly an incision but its literally just "blood". If an incision is actually made into a person's body should we see some guts even if its poor quality black-white film?

 

[arthwollipot]

There is no incision.

 

[xjx388]

Well in the second picture of the link i provided were there is supposedly an incision but its literally just "blood". If an incision is actually made into a person's body should we see some guts even if its poor quality black-white film?

Right. So what does that tell you? It tells me it's fake.

 

[Setsurinvich]

There is no incision.

Can I ask how would you best explain so to an untrained eye and people that are more superstitious from the pictures?

 

[Setsurinvich]

Right. So what does that tell you? It tells me it's fake.

its just that sometimes I prefer an expert to take a look with me to confirm my suspicions

 

[arthwollipot]

Can I ask how would you best explain so to an untrained eye and people that are more superstitious from the pictures?

There is no incision. It's a magic trick, designed to fool people into thinking that there's something going on. The pieces being removed are chicken giblets. The blood is fake.

its just that sometimes I prefer an expert to take a look with me to confirm my suspicions

Very few people here would claim to be "experts", but all can tell you that all that is going on here is trickery.

 

[Setsurinvich]

I am aware of the magic tricks but i want to be able to spot out the fraud and explain to others what is going on

 

[arthwollipot]

I am aware of the magic tricks but i want to be able to spot out the fraud and explain to others what is going on

I'm not too sure what you're asking. We've shown you what's going on. A magic trick is being done, intended to fool the audience into thinking that something is happening when it's not.

Or do you mean that you want to know precisely how the magic trick is done, such that you could perhaps replicate it?

 

[Setsurinvich]

Yes, i want to know how precisely the trick was done so that it would be possible to replicate it

 

[xjx388]

Yes, i want to know how precisely the trick was done so that it would be possible to replicate it

It’s really a simple trick involving palming “blood” balloons and chicken giblets -which are hidden amongst all the other props. As the “surgeon” moves their hands around to get gauze, etc. they’ll they palm various bits.

It doesn’t look or act like a real incision because what it actually is a pool of fake blood that sits in the little hollow created by pressing down on the stomach. Once there’s a good pool of blood on the skin, it’s easy to hide things better. The “surgeon” basically bends the fingers at the second joint to make it look like the hand is penetrating skin. Try it with your own hand on your stomach and you will see what I mean. The other hand then withdraws the chicken parts from pool/inserted hand. Repeat to produce as much blood and guts as you want.

Watch the Randi clip with this in mind and it all becomes quite clear.

 

[Nay_Sayer]

Yes, i want to know how precisely the trick was done so that it would be possible to replicate it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ElzxjoLbmo

Here is a step by step.

 

[Setsurinvich]

could clotted blood be used to make the result look more sticky and messy like in the photos i found? As well would the blood being absorbed by cotton surrounding the "surgery" site give it that "look" found in that photo?

 

[Nay_Sayer]

could clotted blood be used to make the result look more sticky and messy like in the photos i found? As well would the blood being absorbed by cotton surrounding the "surgery" site give it that "look" found in that photo?

Have you taken a look at the link I provided?

How did you determine it was sticky from a photo?
I can think of plenty of liquids including stage blood that mimics the real thing.
Cotton will readily absorb any liquid, not just blood.