Psychics and Missing People

Kelly said:
I'm not sure what you mean. "Oh, no" what?
You expect what in CB?

Sorry, I am just not clear on what you are saying.
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Oh no, meaning finally, yes (hee hee). I just didn't expect this type of story so soon. I expect that in time Carla Baron will also be exposed over time also because she has her own TV show.
 
flaresident said:
Oh no, meaning finally, yes (hee hee). I just didn't expect this type of story so soon. I expect that in time Carla Baron will also be exposed over time also because she has her own TV show.
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She has been exposed, but the public still allows themselves to be fleeced.

If you read into the story about NR, you'll find that a jury totally ignored scientific/foresensic evidence, which in turn, allowed NR to win the case! :mad:

I would have liked to have been on that jury. Amazing. :eye-poppi
 
Kelly said:
She has been exposed, but the public still allows themselves to be fleeced.

If you read into the story about NR, you'll find that a jury totally ignored scientific/foresensic evidence, which in turn, allowed NR to win the case! :mad:

I would have liked to have been on that jury. Amazing. :eye-poppi
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:eek: They should NEVER be used in a court of law:eek:.
 
My apologies for the "form letter", but just trying to hit my usual hangouts and let you all know I'm not dead......yet. ;)

Hello Gen/Skep Forum friends,

I've fallen behind a bit at work on calls, so my posting during the day has ceased for the most part, other than a few at lunchtime. We're not really supposed to do the net, so we need to be careful about it. When I'm caught up with calls, then to be caught surfing the net is not so bad. Saturdays is a freebie with no bosses around.

I'm also a bit behind at my unpaid work, so I gotta crack the whip on myself. I had 2 start-up projects going at once. One didn't work and will most likely be shelved. The other one is close to full steam ahead and must be ready for rollout by October 1st. It's a huge local project with a press conference and all that fun stuff. (I posted about this over in the Computer forum.)

On top of that, the law enforcement missing person investigation training class we worked so hard to bring here is going to happen. We were able to get enough cops enrolled to satisfy the trainers, so we will be getting ready for that, too. That's also in early October.

Behind the scenes, I'm starting negotiations with state lawmakers for a new bill we will introduce in 2007. It's a part of our national campaign to pass this bill in all 50 states. I'm doing the legwork in NE and mentoring the others. The bill, when law, will establish better police procedures for dealing with missing person's cases. It also has sections on how unidentified bodies are handled and on obtaining DNA samples, both for the UID's and for the missing. (So they can match them.)

I received a very awesome letter in the mail to help us with the above mentioned campaign. It's a real letter, too, not a form letter. It's from world famous DNA scientist Dr. Arthur Eisenberg. In his letter, he explains the importance of DNA testing on missing persons and UIDs and encourages each state to pass this law. I'm sure his backing will help. I met him at a national conference in 2004 after hearing him speak. I decided to be bold and approach him and talk briefly. We've kept in contact since then, and he even helped with a case of ours of a young deceased girl who was not properly ID'd by local authorities.

......and then there's the everyday stuff and various crisis situations that come up. Whew!

I'll be around though, but I have to cool it to get these things done.
 
Kelly said:
Just posted as a comment on my blog:

"In the U.S. the leading "psychic detective" has worked with FBI personnel and lectured at the FBI Training Academy. However, an investigation conducted in 2006 reveals that Noreen Renier, (9 appearances on Court TV's Psychic Detective series) provided untrue information before millions of TV viewers and also during testimony in a court room. See www.amindformurder.com Thank you."

Has anyone heard this story before, or of John Merrell?
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It's been a couple of years (at least) but I recall an expose of Renier by a former FBI agent, I think. "John Merrell" doesn't ring a bell, but it may just be my age showing.

iirc, the bit about Renier lecturing at Quantico is one of those bits of misdirection a la Targ and Puthoff allowing people to think they have a Stanford connection based on the name of their lab.

I'll try to dig up a bit more, but I make no promises.
 
flaresident said:
Maybe if we apply the principles of success in problems that have been solved to this problem. i.e. not center on the problem, but focus on the positive. These people are always going to be around muddying the waters, why not embrace them to some degree, not believe them, but take them in like Jesus Christ ate at the same table as all the sinners that were around him.
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The difference is that the sinners Jesus ate with were penitent.

These psychics are not. And chances are very good that the deliberate frauds are atheists who don't even believe in your God.

It is vital that you understand that with their diversions, these psychics are aiding and abetting the person who is behind the missing person's disappearance. They are hurting the chances of a solution being reached. Their nonsense needs to be purged from the Earth.


"But do not thou yield unto them: for there lie in wait for him of them more than forty men, which have bound themselves with an oath, that they will neither eat nor drink till they have killed him: and now are they ready, looking for a promise from thee."
 
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Gary Posner is who I was thinking of. He has a quick summary of issues with Renier here:

http://members.aol.com/garypos/Mind_review.html

He also mentions the book I was thinking of, and his chapter in it which discusses, among other things, her status as a lecturer at the FBI.

The book is Psychic Sleuths: ESP and Sensational Cases, Prometheus Books, 1994. The chapter on Renier, by Posner, can be read here:

http://members.aol.com/garypos/Renier_chap.html

Having re-read it, I have to retract my statement from my earlier post that Renier was embellishing about being a lecturer at the FBI. It seems she was indeed, invited, to speak there to some agents. Posner discusses this briefly in the chapter.
 
Thanks for the links. I was researching this extensively the other night and will do a blog post on it just as soon as I can. I am in touch with John Merrell. What a story!
 
A blog comment from another ignorant person. They take offense. I invited them here, but doubt they'll step up to the plate. It's so easy to just post and run, after all.

"I am very sorry to hear of your bad experiences with psychics. I am one, you speak of, although I don't pray upon anyone. I find your artical very very offensive. We are deap chrisitan's and if you know the bible, you would find in Act's as well as Chronicles, that God give's gifts of discernment, to speacial people, he only gives to those whom are selected with what he gives. He knows that there are false witnesses.

I have helped with crime issues with helping find missing or people that are dead. I contact only the authorities, not the families and if I am not asked to help, I don't. I personally haven't been wrong yet,though I know Christ works through me daily. I don't charge, though I have been told I should, as it does take up my time for a professional job I do, just like if you worked outside the home.

I have study SB and JE, though I don't believe they should charge anything, but that is their life.

I understand, your concerns, but what you say about others, do not not apply like you think and your words should be carefully selected in a better manner, as your motives concern me. I don't believe that pointing fingers and labeling is professional at all and if your goal is to warn everyone about your experience, it should be focused only on what you've encountered and not making everyone that has this TRUE gift as some kind of criminal.
I will truly pray for you and your family. I am sure, he hears me.
Thank you for your time."

Posted as a comment on this entry.
 
Kelly said:
I have helped with crime issues with helping find missing or people that are dead. I contact only the authorities, not the families and if I am not asked to help, I don't. I personally haven't been wrong yet,though I know Christ works through me daily.
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Ask her for the names of any cases she's worked on, any missing person she's found or the name of any police officer who has ever consulted her. I'll be glad to to do all the research on any specific claim she makes.
 
Kelly said:
A blog comment from another ignorant person. They take offense. I invited them here, but doubt they'll step up to the plate. It's so easy to just post and run, after all.

"I am very sorry to hear of your bad experiences with psychics. I am one, you speak of, although I don't pray upon anyone. I find your artical very very offensive. We are deap chrisitan's and if you know the bible, you would find in Act's as well as Chronicles, that God give's gifts of discernment, to speacial people, he only gives to those whom are selected with what he gives. He knows that there are false witnesses.

I have helped with crime issues with helping find missing or people that are dead. I contact only the authorities, not the families and if I am not asked to help, I don't. I personally haven't been wrong yet,though I know Christ works through me daily. I don't charge, though I have been told I should, as it does take up my time for a professional job I do, just like if you worked outside the home.

I have study SB and JE, though I don't believe they should charge anything, but that is their life.

I understand, your concerns, but what you say about others, do not not apply like you think and your words should be carefully selected in a better manner, as your motives concern me. I don't believe that pointing fingers and labeling is professional at all and if your goal is to warn everyone about your experience, it should be focused only on what you've encountered and not making everyone that has this TRUE gift as some kind of criminal.
I will truly pray for you and your family. I am sure, he hears me.
Thank you for your time."

Posted as a comment on this entry.
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So, what's the success rate? What kind of cases have they worked on? In other words, how much genuine evidence that actually helped to solve the case did they provide?

I don't give a rat's ass how much they say they "helped." If they didn't provide worthwhile evidence that helped bring an end to the case, they haven't done sh**. They have helped the perpetrators of the crime, not the victims. F*** 'em.
 
As this person just left a comment on my blog, I have no email or other contact info for them. If they ever return to the blog, and I doubt they will, they will see my invite. Given their attitude, I don't see this person as being willing to prove anything. This one is very defensive, so I'm not going to hold my breath.
 
Kelly said:
As this person just left a comment on my blog, I have no email or other contact info for them. If they ever return to the blog, and I doubt they will, they will see my invite. Given their attitude, I don't see this person as being willing to prove anything. This one is very defensive, so I'm not going to hold my breath.
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Well, Kelly, I'm just glad this crackpot didn't make any comments about your particular case. Reading your entire psychic thread was heartbreaking without having to add one more incident.
 
Loss Leader said:
Well, Kelly, I'm just glad this crackpot didn't make any comments about your particular case. Reading your entire psychic thread was heartbreaking without having to add one more incident.
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I'm glad, too.

Funny thing, but since I wrote the series, I have not received the amount of "psychic" inquiries I was previously. I don't think I've had any via email at all. I've had a few sneak in here, and a few blog comments, but that's about it.

I must now be on the psychic community's blacklist.

It's no loss.
 
Kelly said:
I'm glad, too.

Funny thing, but since I wrote the series, I have not received the amount of "psychic" inquiries I was previously. I don't think I've had any via email at all. I've had a few sneak in here, and a few blog comments, but that's about it.

I must now be on the psychic community's blacklist.

It's no loss.
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Can we get on their blacklist, too? Sounds like fun.
 
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