Psychics and Missing People

Another one of my blog entries has caused a ripple elsewhere in the universe.

Someone from an Indian tribe found this story and knows the woman mentioned within. Apparently, she has been scamming people in other ways, and oddly enough, never claims to be a psychic in Indian circles. The emailer hasn't revealed to me specifically what the scams are, but indicates many people have been hurt. Their group was very interested to find this scam and have renewed the investigation of this woman.
 
Non-paranormal related news for those who have taken in interest in my org:

Hello all,

Melissa Harris (mother of Amber Harris) and I are going to the state capital in Lincoln tommorrow afternoon.

I have arranged a meeting with my state senator, who helped us push through Jason's Law, and another senator. My senator is in his last year there, so we will be meeting to discuss possible sponsorship by the other senator for the new bill we will be pushing in 2007.

While Jason's Law focused on awareness and communication, the new law encompasses procedures for LE for both missing persons and the unidentified deceased. (UID's) There are also sections that deal with the capture of DNA from the missing person or his/her family members for the federal database.

This law will be called Amber's Law in memory of Amber Harris, who was missing and was then found brutally murdered here in Omaha. It is important to Amber's family that her death serve some purpose, so we asked the Harrises to help us pass this bill.

This is a part of Project Jason's national Campaign for the Missing in which we are working on passing this legislation in each and every state. We have already achieved bill sponsorship in several states with many more in progress.

You can learn more about the Campaign for the Missing and the proposed law here.

Thank you.

Kelly Jolkowski, Mother of Missing Jason Jolkowski
President and Founder,
Project Jason
http://www.projectjason.org
Read our Voice for the Missing Blog
http://voice4themissing.blogspot.com/
 
Solution Centered

Maybe if we apply the principles of success in problems that have been solved to this problem. i.e. not center on the problem, but focus on the positive. These people are always going to be around muddying the waters, why not embrace them to some degree, not believe them, but take them in like Jesus Christ ate at the same table as all the sinners that were around him.
 
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Maybe they will fade into the background. Everybody has to learn from their own experiences if they insist on letting these people take advantage of them. It is a matter of faith.
 
flaresident said:
Maybe they will fade into the background. Everybody has to learn from their own experiences if they insist on letting these people take advantage of them. It is a matter of faith.
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The problem, FR, is that these nutcases would take this as some sort of endorsement of their activities.
 
I didn't "insist" on anyone taking advantage of me. In the beginning, it just happened because I was ignorant. Many of these situations were thrown in my face, and one was to make a final satisfaction to a family member. Perhaps it was just a poor choice of words to say "insist".

Contrary to what many may think, I do not hate psychics. There are some who are obviously deluded that you feel sorry for in the same way that you feel sorry for a mentally ill person. The ones who know they are frauds receive my disdain and my hope they will stop what they are doing.

I could not embrace them, should they appear at my door, but nor could I spit upon them. Even though many here will not understand it, I do now have placed the outcome of my own story in God's hands. That doesn't mean that I make no efforts towards the resolution myself, but simply that I acknowledge the answer to this awful mystery will not come from people who claim to have paranormal abilities.
 
Kelly said:
I didn't "insist" on anyone taking advantage of me. In the beginning, it just happened because I was ignorant. Many of these situations were thrown in my face, and one was to make a final satisfaction to a family member. Perhaps it was just a poor choice of words to say "insist".

Contrary to what many may think, I do not hate psychics. There are some who are obviously deluded that you feel sorry for in the same way that you feel sorry for a mentally ill person. The ones who know they are frauds receive my disdain and my hope they will stop what they are doing.

I could not embrace them, should they appear at my door, but nor could I spit upon them. Even though many here will not understand it, I do now have placed the outcome of my own story in God's hands. That doesn't mean that I make no efforts towards the resolution myself, but simply that I acknowledge the answer to this awful mystery will not come from people who claim to have paranormal abilities.
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I would have to say, most psychics I've met, do believe they have a gift. As a former believer, I try not to judge them too much.

I agree, Sylvia and John Edwards and their ilk, however, must be despised.
 
elaine said:
I would have to say, most psychics I've met, do believe they have a gift. As a former believer, I try not to judge them too much.

I agree, Sylvia and John Edwards and their ilk, however, must be despised.
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I believe they are like Simon the Sorcerer; they use Satan's power instead of God's. God's Holy Spirit is a spirit of adoption, cooperation, love, charity; every component of love. Blessed are they who hunger and thirst after righteousness and God answers prayers of poor and contrite hearts. I noticed that Satan likes to rush in quickly and ultimately God comes because we call upon him. Jesus Christ just proved Simon wrong. God also gives the power of healing and resurrection. It isn't exclusive to people in Bible times. We as a world are just far from him and don't know it. His love is everlasting. I think are moving toward him though and GOD will silence the silly psychics in the end because it is he who has all knowledge.
 
flaresident said:
I believe they are like Simon the Sorcerer; they use Satan's power instead of God's. God's Holy Spirit is a spirit of adoption, cooperation, love, charity; every component of love. Blessed are they who hunger and thirst after righteousness and God answers prayers of poor and contrite hearts. I noticed that Satan likes to rush in quickly and ultimately God comes because we call upon him. Jesus Christ just proved Simon wrong. God also gives the power of healing and resurrection. It isn't exclusive to people in Bible times. We as a world are just far from him and don't know it. His love is everlasting. I think are moving toward him though and GOD will silence the silly psychics in the end because it is he who has all knowledge.
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If you believe this, why do you let them run amock on your forum, (for missing Jennifer Kesse) spewing forth their nonsense? I don't understand.
 
Kelly said:
If you believe this, why do you let them run amock on your forum, (for missing Jennifer Kesse) spewing forth their nonsense? I don't understand.
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Yes, they did, but now they are gone. I think partly because they thought it was owned by the Kesse family. I was contemplating doing something when it did stop ultimately. There should be a filter between these people and the family and my forum may have inadvertently acted as a buffer (thanks’ to several of you who countered them also).

They were like a hurd of bulls that blew through. Yes, I never intended the word "insist" to be interpreted the way it was, I should have said continue to befall them.
 
flaresident said:
Yes, they did, but now they are gone. I think partly because they thought it was owned by the Kesse family. I was contemplating doing something when it did stop ultimately. There should be a filter between these people and the family and my forum may have inadvertently acted as a buffer (thanks’ to several of you who countered them also).

They were like a hurd of bulls that blew through. Yes, I never intended the word "insist" to be interpreted the way it was, I should have said continue to befall them.
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If they contact me, whether it is for my case or for one of the families we work for, I tell them that if they think they know something to contact the LE in charge of the case. I will not give them an arena to display their wares nor will I listen to what they have to say. In almost every case, they will not contact the police, even when I reassure them that the police will listen.

If any of them come to my forum, their posts are immediately deleted. It just won't be allowed, period. It says this in my posting guidelines:

"There will be no visions, dreams, or "psychic" revelations as those are unproven and can cause hurt to the families and prejudice to the case.

Any posts that do not fall within these guidelines (referring to all of the guidelines) may be edited or removed without notice to the author."

Do you still have an area for them to post in as you did before?
 
Kelly said:
If they contact me, whether it is for my case or for one of the families we work for, I tell them that if they think they know something to contact the LE in charge of the case. I will not give them an arena to display their wares nor will I listen to what they have to say. In almost every case, they will not contact the police, even when I reassure them that the police will listen.

If any of them come to my forum, their posts are immediately deleted. It just won't be allowed, period. It says this in my posting guidelines:

"There will be no visions, dreams, or "psychic" revelations as those are unproven and can cause hurt to the families and prejudice to the case.

Any posts that do not fall within these guidelines (referring to all of the guidelines) may be edited or removed without notice to the author."

Do you still have an area for them to post in as you did before?
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Yes, but they don't come after they read all of the information that has already been posted there.
 
flaresident said:
Yes, but they don't come after they read all of the information that has already been posted there.
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Then why maintain the section? Why not archive it somewhere for the good information it contained (not from the psychics) and then delete it?

The presence of this forum section still gives the appearance of a pro-psychic stance, IMHO.
 
You have a very good point. I just feel like there might be something there for law enforcement. Who knows maybe the perpetrator posted something amid all that garbage. If it were active and dominating the forum, I would lock the thred. I know that LE are open to psychics in this case so I chose to leave it there.
 
flaresident said:
You have a very good point. I just feel like there might be something there for law enforcement. Who knows maybe the perpetrator posted something amid all that garbage. If it were active and dominating the forum, I would lock the thred. I know that LE are open to psychics in this case so I chose to leave it there.
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I would assume at this point, though, that LE has gleaned whatever appeared to have any merit from the threads.
 
Just posted as a comment on my blog:

"In the U.S. the leading "psychic detective" has worked with FBI personnel and lectured at the FBI Training Academy. However, an investigation conducted in 2006 reveals that Noreen Renier, (9 appearances on Court TV's Psychic Detective series) provided untrue information before millions of TV viewers and also during testimony in a court room. See www.amindformurder.com Thank you."

Has anyone heard this story before, or of John Merrell?
 
Kelly said:
Just posted as a comment on my blog:

"In the U.S. the leading "psychic detective" has worked with FBI personnel and lectured at the FBI Training Academy. However, an investigation conducted in 2006 reveals that Noreen Renier, (9 appearances on Court TV's Psychic Detective series) provided untrue information before millions of TV viewers and also during testimony in a court room. See www.amindformurder.com Thank you."

Has anyone heard this story before, or of John Merrell?
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Oh no, I have been waiting for something like this. I expect it in Carla Baron too. Incredible.
 
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