Psychics and Missing People

How strange. US is by far the most christian country in the western world, how come that your talk-shows do this without all the newspapers attacking or ridiculing them? And if "Haunting Evidence" is proved worthless - as it will be - will not the big american newspapers write about those flops later?

Good Question!

Well it seems with human nature....people tend to look for the accident rather then the recovery.

We hope to change this though!

I guess now that I think about it, a one time scolding....would not bring much viewer watching. Where a psychic can be sold over and over. mmm?
 
...I guess now that I think about it, a one time scolding....would not bring much viewer watching. Where a psychic can be sold over and over. mmm?

Probably, although:

...That absolutely nothing was found is known by many people as it was in the biggest newspapers. More shows were planned in Sweden but with this flop, the TV channel gave it up. I believe that they have given up in Norway too.

But I guess it's much easier here in smaller Scandinavia as our few big newspapers are so well-known and dominant in our publicity. When they attack everyone will know. Also we have a tradition of being hostile to "psychics" here in media outside womens weekly magazines. Those TV shows about the "supernatural" were something new for Sweden at least. I am truly pleased that they flopped!

And one our most well-known talkshow hosts fooled one of the most famous psychics from the cold case serials - he made him contact a dead person that never even had lived. And that was shown in television, and since our few channels are so much more dominating than in US, almost everyone heard of it.
 
Unfortunately, psychics are "cash cows" for some, like Montel Williams, for example. On days when SB is on, his ratings soar. Cash Cow, in this case, becomes a very accurate, although lenient description.

When I get this done, I do plan on PRing the news type shows.
 

I thought about linking your blog series, too, but I am worried it might start some kind of flame war since your blog has a comments section that Carla fans could wreak havoc on. You don't need that crap.
 
I thought about linking your blog series, too, but I am worried it might start some kind of flame war since your blog has a comments section that Carla fans could wreak havoc on. You don't need that crap.

I don't want to spend my days deleting comments from the blog, however, we also need to reach out to the ignorant. How do we balance this?

I do think that if you registered and linked it, they'd probably ban you and remove the post. For the time, it would be up, someone might get a clue.
 
I have amber alerts that notify me of each new case that happens, the problem is.....takes the family some time to get a page up or get to where I can reach them by pc. We can create a web page is another idea.. I have contacts in many fields... won't list them here but to you all in private pm, as well as, parents of murdered children and other large organizations, and a few of the cases that are on t.v. I also have a few producers and radio stations and well known web sites that I know, that will be willing to expose this.
I can contact the family's of larger cases in the media. As well as the dozens in my immediate address book. I have an extensive list of contacts from over the years. We just need a plan, in any event it will cause a big tadoo, and that is why the web page with no blog abilities would be handy. Put the cause up...and the link to the page, with all the information on it.
 
Suzan,

I am not clear on what the first part of your post was referring to, but I can tell you that there is a planned website with links and info about psychics and missing people.

Coming soon to a website near you. ;)
 
Suzan,

I am not clear on what the first part of your post was referring to, but I can tell you that there is a planned website with links and info about psychics and missing people.

Coming soon to a website near you. ;)

That is awesome!
I was replying to a collection of posts (we also need to reach out to the ignorant, How do we balance this? ) Ignorant meaning those that have not experienced this situation before who are sadly going to be approached by a psychic claiming to help them.
In any event Kelly, I have happened upon you :) who is fighting a war of sorts, that I myself have also experienced, and battled. I might add.... I didn't know how far this cause had taken you in your efforts so far, I wrongly assumed you were in the laying out of plan/process of bringing this subject to light. My apologies.. You go girl! and as I said. If there is anything I can do to assist you, just let me know. :)
 
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Near future plans:

A website which explains the issues surrounding psychics and missing people

An online brochure for families of the missing about use of psychics

A major press release about the blog series and the two items above.
 
Near future plans:

A website which explains the issues surrounding psychics and missing people

An online brochure for families of the missing about use of psychics

A major press release about the blog series and the two items above.


Awesome!
 
Responding

Hello, and thank you for caring.

I want to respond to your last statement as such: Even though humans have committed such atrocities towards us, all in all, in this experience of tragedy, my faith in mankind has been elevated.

In the past 5 years, I have been told countless stories of strangers helping us. Friends and family have continued to support us and will not let Jason be forgotten. Over and over again, we have been blessed in good things that have happened, even in the darkest times. I see that people are, for the most part, good.

You can even look to this thread for numerous examples of the kindness bestowed upon us. I was a stranger to the people in this forum; a stranger with different beliefs, but yet the core of who we all are as individuals melted away to reveal that we are all the same underneath, and that goodness overrode those differences without hesitation.

I am very glad to hear of your epiphany from this ordeal. Thanks for that note.
 
Recent announcement not having anything to do with psychics, but for persons interested in our work in general:

The Jolkowski family is pleased to announce that the Nebraska State Patrol has added a statement about the history of LB111, Jason's Law, to the State Missing Person's Clearinghouse website. We asked for this change to honor our missing son, Jason. He will be missing for 5 years as of June 13th, 2006.

Jason's Law mandated the creation of this website, the public database of missing persons, communications of same, and other benefits. It is primarily an awareness vehicle for missing persons of all ages, and mandates the communication of information about these persons.

I am also pleased that the State Patrol has invited me to come to their headquarters in Lincoln on June 28th to discuss improvements to the processes that Jason's Law mandated. A public announcement about these changes will come at a later date.

I have already prepared a list of changes, and will be glad to take along your feedback, however, all changes must fall within the law as stated. http://www.unicam.state.ne.us/pdf/FINAL_LB111_1.pdf

The Nebraska State Missing Person's Clearinghouse can be viewed here:
http://www.nsp.state.ne.us/missingpersons/index.cfm

Thank you for your support.

Kelly Jolkowski, Mother of Missing Jason Jolkowski
President and Founder,
Project Jason
http://www.projectjason.org
Read our Voice for the Missing Blog
http://voice4themissing.blogspot.com/

PS: We need your support monetarily, too. Small nonprofits, such as ours, receive few public dollars. We have much we want and need to accomplish, but cannot without your help.
 
Congratulations.

How about when a person is found details go up about how the person was found?

Thank you, rjh. The law was actually signed a little over a year ago, and went into effect last September. Until the other day, they had not acknowledged how the law came to be.

The details of how a person was found, per the law, are not made public, but may be used to compile stats and be available to authorities. If the missing person has had some media coverage, this will typically be revealed with as much info as law enforcement and the families allow. In the case of homicide, it's almost always covered quite well in the media.

Also, because of legalities with missing adults cases, circumstances behind their being found are often not revealed.
 
Hi Kelly. Yours is the kind of cause that motivates people to try to make some sort of contribution, however minor. To that end, I recently sent the following Letter to the Editor to my local newspaper (see also http://www.reformer.com/Letters). A little background: In the summer of 2003, the Brattleboro Reformer printed two front-page, above-the-fold articles about Carla Baron's involvement in a local missing persons case. A mother and daughter, Tina and Bethany Sinclair, disappeared from their home in early 2001 and have not been seen since. The case remains unsolved (although Tina's boyfriend has apparently been considered a "person of interest" for some time).

Carla was apparently contacted by a friend or family member of the Sinclairs, and talked to a Sinclair relative and convinced her that she's the real deal. (I suspect cold, and perhaps not-so-cold reading was involved, since the Sinclair case had garnered some local press by then.) Based on Carla's "evidence," a group of very well-intentioned people spent hours tramping around a hill that she had identified as a potential site of evidence, but turned up nothing of any use. (The nearest thing to a "hit" was Carla visualizing that some white object was important, and the searchers found an empty milk bottle.) A state trooper stood by but didn't participate in the search; he said he didn't believe in psychics but was there in case some real evidence was actually found. Predictably, this was interpreted by some as the police endorsing Carla Baron.

In response to the previous articles (both of which were fawning, starry-eyed, and accepted Carla's every claim as unquestionably valid), I wrote a critical Letter to the Editor. This prompted a couple of other letters from readers asking "what's the harm?" Your efforts help demonstrate conclusively and explicitly just what sort of harm Carla Baron and her fellow-travelers can inflict.

In any case, here it is:

To the Editor of the Reformer:

Nearly three years ago, the Reformer ran two front-page stories about self-proclaimed “psychic investigator” Carla Baron and her involvement with the case of two missing local women, Tina and Bethany Sinclair. Both stories were very positive and uncritical towards Ms. Baron; the only skeptical comment in either piece was a short quote from a local law officer, who said in effect that his department doesn’t place much credibility in psychics.

I’m now curious as to whether the Reformer might consider publishing a follow-up article, updating the public about what help, if any, Ms. Baron’s “evidence” has provided in solving the Sinclair case. I realize that an article along the lines of “Psychic Fails Again” may possess the dog-bites-man quality that newspapers usually try to avoid. But it might serve to provide a more balanced and realistic picture. And it would give you another opportunity to mention Ms. Baron’s long history of exaggerated claims and self-serving statements, as documented here: http://www.iigwest.com/carla_report.html. You could also note that despite what TV shows such as Medium might like you to believe, no crime in history has ever been solved by evidence provided through psychic means.

You could also mention the experience of Kelly Jolkowski, whose son Jason went missing in 2001 (see http://www.projectjason.org/). Since that time, Ms. Jolkowski has been contacted by a number of self-described psychics offering their services, often in exchange for money. Through her work on behalf of families of missing people, Ms. Jolkowski learned that many other parents have similarly received unsolicited offers from psychics. She discovered that psychics are often very aggressive when contacting the family of the missing. For instance, if their offer is initially declined, they sometimes accuse parents of not loving their child enough to do everything possible to get them back. The “evidence” these psychics provide is contradictory, terrifying, and depressing, and ultimately totally useless. They sometimes accuse innocent people of being responsible. They waste valuable law enforcement time and effort tracking down bogus leads. And none has ever provided a single clue that helped locate a missing person. In an effort to prevent others from being similarly preyed upon, Ms. Jolkowski created a web site (see http://voice4themissing.blogspot.com/2006/03/30606-pmp-introduction-to-psychics-and.html) to help warn the friends and family of missing people about these “psychic predators.”

So would the Reformer consider publishing such a follow-up article? Doing so might help others from falling victim to Ms. Baron and her ilk, who shamelessly take advantage of families with missing loved ones, at a time when they are most vulnerable and desperate to try anything, however implausible. And it might determine whether the Reformer is truly interested in serving as a responsible source of information, or whether it prefers to pander to trendy and popular delusions.

Sincerely,

PS -- I did get an email response from a Reformer editor, who informed me "I'm not sure we'll be doing a story as such." But at least they printed my letter.
 
Hi Kelly. Yours is the kind of cause that motivates people to try to make some sort of contribution, however minor. To that end, I recently sent the following Letter to the Editor to my local newspaper (see also http://www.reformer.com/Letters). A little background: ...

Excellent job Stellafane. Welcome.

BTW, the link to the letter is:
http://www.reformer.com/Letters
about 1/2 way down the page.

and http://www.projectjason.org

(Dont worry, you'll get the hang of url linking eventually :) , just leave a space after the end of the url and drop the /.)
 
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Stellafane,

This is an oustanding letter and effort on your part to educate the readers of this newspaper, and hopefully, promote some "water cooler" talk in the area or better.

I am familiar with the Sinclair case, and have been contacted in the past by friends of the family. We do list their cases on our website and forum.

I don't know if it was the case here, but if I have a family going the psychic route, I will attempt to educate them. Often, such as in the case of Tara Grinstead of GA, after saying something about it, I never hear back from them. Some families, no matter how glaring the proof, just cannot let go of this false chance.

I applaud you for your part in education. I know you'll reach someone from this. You may never hear about it, but someone will surely be spared some pain. Thank you.

Kelly

Hi Rabbitt, and thanks for the corrected links!
 
In response to the previous articles (both of which were fawning, starry-eyed, and accepted Carla's every claim as unquestionably valid), I wrote a critical Letter to the Editor. This prompted a couple of other letters from readers asking "what's the harm?"

These "what's the harm" letters were in response to your letter you just posted, in which you explained how psychics prey on the families of missing persons?

If so, that is simply incredible. A complete failure to empathize or see things from the psychic's victim's perspective. The desire to believe is strong indeed.
 
I have already prepared a list of changes, and will be glad to take along your feedback, however, all changes must fall within the law as stated. http://www.unicam.state.ne.us/pdf/FINAL_LB111_1.pdf

The Nebraska State Missing Person's Clearinghouse can be viewed here:
http://www.nsp.state.ne.us/missingpersons/index.cfm

I am not sure what you mean by changes must fall within the law. Doesn't change imply things that are not in the law that should be changed/deleted/added?

I decided to pick another state and see what kind of comparable law they have. I picked New York since they probably have more cases of missing people. Just a guess.

Anyway, there were some interesting things in their law that I think are missing from Nebraska's. For instance, when a child goes missing, they immediately have the child's birth certificate record flagged. Outstanding idea.

They also notify the child's most recent school to flag the child's records. Probably for the same reason. Another outstanding idea.

Someone with a kidnapped kid might try to obtain their records to register them in a school or somesuch.

They also have this:

(e) insuring the proper disposition of all obsolete register data, provided however that such data for a person who has reached the age of eighteen and remains missing shall be preserved;

And this isn't a bad idea, either:

When a person previously reported missing has been found alive and there is no ground for criminal action, the superintendent of state police, sheriff, chief of police, coroner or medical examiner, or other criminal justice agency shall purge and destroy identifying material contained in such records and documents with respect to such person which are made and maintained pursuant to this section and shall report to the division that the person has been found and that the identifying materials contained in such records and documents have been so purged or destroyed. After receiving such a report, the division shall purge identifying material contained in such records with respect to such person and/or destroy any identifying material contained in documents which are maintained pursuant to this section.
 

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