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Psychics and Missing People

Gr8wight said:
I continue to be in awe of the positive results already achieved, and the continuing good work being done via this thread. The booklet or pamphlet idea is fantastic. Although I agree with Luke T. that no psychic would agree to answer the questions posed by Kelly's proposed checklist, I also think those refusals speak volumes to people, so I would include those. As to the possibility that someone would come across a bleever cop who would back up the psychic, I guess it's possible. However, the preponderance of evidence presented here and on other skeptical forums suggests that would be very rare. I would also include the suggestion that LE references be checked.
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On the CourtTV program Psychic Detectives, they often get a police officer to confirm they used the psychic.

In one case we examined on here, the Psychic Detectives host was on CNN and discussed a case from the 80s with such excitement she was almost breathless. They had a cop confirm the psychic lady had helped solve the case. Then someone here found out after a little digging that the cop and the psychic were husband and wife! She had a psychic business going. Funny they didn't mention that on the show.

I'm sure cops as a whole are more skeptical about psychics than the general public, but it doesn't mean they all are. A cop who is searching for missing kid is human, too. He's going to be emotionally invested in finding that kid, and may be just as vulnerable to a psychic predator as the friends and family when he is frustrated and can't crack the case.
 
Luke T. said:
On the CourtTV program Psychic Detectives, they often get a police officer to confirm they used the psychic.

In one case we examined on here, the Psychic Detectives host was on CNN and discussed a case from the 80s with such excitement she was almost breathless. They had a cop confirm the psychic lady had helped solve the case. Then someone here found out after a little digging that the cop and the psychic were husband and wife! She had a psychic business going. Funny they didn't mention that on the show.

I'm sure cops as a whole are more skeptical about psychics than the general public, but it doesn't mean they all are. A cop who is searching for missing kid is human, too. He's going to be emotionally invested in finding that kid, and may be just as vulnerable to a psychic predator as the friends and family when he is frustrated and can't crack the case.
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Is this story online anywhere?

I know psychics won't make guarantees or sign anything, I just want to cast a wide net of doubt. The more they balk at providing solid info and make excuses as to why they can't guarantee anything, the bigger the doubt might become for the uninformed or the ignorant. We may not ever sway the hard core believers.
 
KellyJ said:
Is this story online anywhere?

I know psychics won't make guarantees or sign anything, I just want to cast a wide net of doubt. The more they balk at providing solid info and make excuses as to why they can't guarantee anything, the bigger the doubt might become for the uninformed or the ignorant. We may not ever sway the hard core believers.
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Here is the topic where we discussed the show: http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22294

Here is a link to the CNN transcript.

Just a little over halfway down the first page of the topic, Psiload discovers the psychic and the cop are married.
 
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References

KellyJ said:
I'm hoping this isn't a silly suggestion like some I pose when I'm overtired.

I was thinking of posting a checklist of sorts for people who, no matter what, are going to use psychics to "help" in their missing loved one's cases. A checklist could possibly help them get a bit closer to seeing the light in respect to usefulness of psychics. It may serve to uncover their deceit.

Some examples of items on such a checklist:

1) If the psychic claims to have assisted police on any type of case, ask them to provide the contact info for that LE and specifics on their involvement and what they did to help.
a) how much information did police or the family provide to the psychic
b) what information was already publicly available through news articles or family websites
c) is the case resolved and what was the outcome

2) If they claim to have worked with other families, ask for references and for specifics on what they did to help.
a) what information was already publicly available through news articles or family websites

etc, etc.
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I agree! Just like any other professional, psychics should have a web page with verifiable professional references which include law enforcement agencies, families and cite successes.
 
Just updating - lecture next wednesday on children and internet safety; as promised I'll get notes done and see what I might be able to contribue.
 
Looking forward to it, Kiless.

Thanks for the link, Luke. Very interesting.

TV Psychics and missing people ALERT

James Van Praagh will be on a show called the Insider today. Check the site for when it airs in your market. Mine is on at 630pm cst.

Van Praagh will be pretending to give legitimate information about missing Rachel Cooke from Austin, TX.

Her father, Robert, and I are good friends. Robert disdains psychics, too, but felt like he had to do this for national exposure for his daughter's case.

I've been faced with that decision in the past, and was actually releived that the show said no, so that I did not have to battle my desire to find my son against certain exploitation and perceived participation in validation of psychics' worthfulness.
 
I missed the show because the site said it was on at 630, but it was on at 6! Did anyone watch it?
 
This is when the Insider airs on my local CBS affiliate(Channel 4 here).
All times are eastern daylight time.

WBZ Friday, May 12 7:00 PM
WBZ Saturday, May 13 11:35 PM
WBZ Monday, May 15 2:00 AM
WBZ Monday, May 15 9:30 AM
WBZ Monday, May 15 7:00 PM
WBZ Tuesday, May 16 9:30 AM
WBZ Tuesday, May 16 7:00 PM
WBZ Wednesday, May 17 9:30 AM
WBZ Wednesday, May 17 7:00 PM
WBZ Thursday, May 18 9:30 AM
WBZ Thursday, May 18 7:00 PM
WBZ Friday, May 19 9:30 AM
WBZ Friday, May 19 7:00 PM

If the show follows its pattern here, your epidsode (that was at 6pm central time), may air at tonight, Saturday the 6th at 10:35pm your time. I checked, and the Insider does air here tonight at 11:35pm, and this is probably a repeat of the Friday show, but I can't be sure. I'll set to record it, because I may not be home.


 
KellyJ said:
I missed the show because the site said it was on at 630, but it was on at 6! Did anyone watch it?
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I watched it for about 12 minutes, but couldn't stomach the drivel they were pouring out.

Nothing in the portion I watched mentioned Van Praagh, and they're very into teasing everything in the show several times to keep the viewers watching to the end.

- Timothy
 
Timothy said:
I watched it for about 12 minutes, but couldn't stomach the drivel they were pouring out.

Nothing in the portion I watched mentioned Van Praagh, and they're very into teasing everything in the show several times to keep the viewers watching to the end.

- Timothy
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Did you see the parents of Rachel Cooke then?

Thanks for trying to watch it. I know what you mean by meaningless drivel.
 
KellyJ said:
Did you see the parents of Rachel Cooke then?
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No, Kelly. What I meant was that there was no indication whatsoever that there was going to be a story about Rachel Cooke or Van Praagh's predictions of any event, so I stopped watching. Any planned story, though, could have been bumped for the oh so compelling "Katie and Tom's first night out since the baby" story.

- Timothy
 
Timothy said:
No, Kelly. What I meant was that there was no indication whatsoever that there was going to be a story about Rachel Cooke or Van Praagh's predictions of any event, so I stopped watching. Any planned story, though, could have been bumped for the oh so compelling "Katie and Tom's first night out since the baby" story.

- Timothy
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Tom and Katie are much more important than just some ordinary people.

It's true. :(

Thanks for letting me know.
 
The psychics have ceased and desisted

Luke T. said:
Okay, meg. I've joined the fray over there.
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Hello, I operate the forum flfiesta.com. I apologize for deleting the topic I had set up for you :hypnotize . I moved it to another location, then it disappeared :hypnotize . I will recreate it again (I am so sorry). I will try to reconstruct as much as possible. It is important to counter balance the psychic information. The psychics have ceased and desisted.
 
flaresident said:
Hello, I operate the forum flfiesta.com. I apologize for deleting the topic I had set up for you :hypnotize . I moved it to another location, then it disappeared :hypnotize . I will recreate it again (I am so sorry). I will try to reconstruct as much as possible. It is important to counter balance the psychic information. The psychics have ceased and desisted.
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That's too bad all those very worthy posts of Meg and Luke's were lost.
 
Thanks, Cpt!

I do keep an eye on the related threads. Sometimes I am just too annoyed to say anything.
 
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