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Provisional Ethics

Arkan_Wolfshade

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Just finishing up M. Shermer's The Science of Good and Evil and I find his ideas on provisional ethics (the idea that morals are an evolutionary development in our species and that most people try to do good things most of the time in most places) to be an intriguing balance between absolutism and moral relativity.

Anyone else familiar with this book and have an opinion on it, or the ideas contained therein?
 
Read it some time ago and have to agree with yours and the authors assessment. (I had more or less came to the same conclusion myself anyway).

i.e. Morals are relative - relative to what – the surviving strategy evolved.

One aspect that might have be explored in his book (but wasn’t from memory) is, would another sentient being that evolved from a completely different style of surviving than ourselves, have the same morals as us?

The example I have in mind is, supposed Lions evolved instead of ourselves, then would infanticide be seen as good or bad? (male lions kill cubs not sired by themself when a pride is taken over)
 
Read it some time ago and have to agree with yours and the authors assessment. (I had more or less came to the same conclusion myself anyway).

i.e. Morals are relative - relative to what – the surviving strategy evolved.

One aspect that might have be explored in his book (but wasn’t from memory) is, would another sentient being that evolved from a completely different style of surviving than ourselves, have the same morals as us?

The example I have in mind is, supposed Lions evolved instead of ourselves, then would infanticide be seen as good or bad? (male lions kill cubs not sired by themself when a pride is taken over)

I would have to guess that it would still be immoral, as it is violating species altruism. If the lions had evolved to a level of sentience similar to our own; they would have the tools to remove the threat of non-sired cubs, without resorting to killing them. By not doing so, they would be violating the third principle of provisional ethics; "the liberty principle: it is a higher moral princilpe to always seek libert with someone else's liberty in mind, and never seek liberty when it leads to someone else's loss of liberty. To implement social change, the moderation principle states that when inoocent people die, extremism in the defense of anything is no virtue, and moderation in the protection of everything is no vice."
 
perhaps, but

I would have to guess that it would still be immoral, as it is violating species altruism. If the lions had evolved to a level of sentience similar to our own; they would have the tools to remove the threat of non-sired cubs, without resorting to killing them.

Perhaps, but you are imposing a human sense of right and wrong, to their situation. It’s just as likely they would have enhanced the science of detection of who the father is, to a fine art, and evolved in accordance with a male dominated, territorial, high priority on making sure you are the father life style.

Provided society integrity is still maintained by the males taking over prides (ritualised combat i.e. sport, or perhaps lottery, wealth, or intelligence), the lionesses will not se a problem with this. (it’s just the way things are for them).

The morals for the Lion are governed by their social environment (high female to male ratio, and harem style relationships, women doing the work and the males sitting back and having a few beers) About now I feeling a bit jealous :)




By not doing so, they would be violating the third principle of provisional ethics; "the liberty principle: it is a higher moral princilpe to always seek libert with someone else's liberty in mind, and never seek liberty when it leads to someone else's loss of liberty.

Again a very human problem, Is that principle even applicable to the lion. One could modify such a principle perhaps to:

“it is a higher moral principle to always seek liberty with someone else's liberty in mind, once that individual is past a certain age” (reasoning the male lion only kills the cubs, lioneses past a certain age are seen as potential mates or if male will of their own accord become wandering males looking for their own pride)



To implement social change, the moderation principle states that when inoocent people die, extremism in the defense of anything is no virtue, and moderation in the protection of everything is no vice."

Is infanticide seen as immoral for the lion? It might be something the males boast about down at the pub, and the women fawn about over coffee to their friends (“oh how my new husband loves me…….”.

Provided the social system is stable, and society is functional, etc (and admittedly this takes a bit of imagination) infanticide for the lion barely raises an eyebrow.

Moral relativism in the extreme perhaps, just be glad (assuming your male) that we have not evolved from spiders or mantises.

I may have taken this example a bit too far, I’m sure Shermer had never intended such comparison to be made because it perhaps gives the impression that “anything goes” and some people will then justify bad behaviour with that principle. For any life there are optimum solutions in social survival, those solutions become our morals, it’s not “anything goes” for species, but it is “anything goes” for life in general.


Which leaves one dilemma, interspecies warfare/diplomacy (i.e. like in SiFi movies) At this level “anything goes” has problems, and I am yet to think the problem through.
 

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