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Prove Them Wrong?

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HempFlax will wager 100.000 euros to anyone who can provide proof to the contrary of the following proposition.

‘If the greenhouse effect were to be reversed by a ban on all fossil fuels and their derivatives, or if their use were to come to an end, and no more trees were allowed to be felled in order to prevent further deforestation, then there would be one natural resource able to supply the greater part of the world’s demand for products such as paper, food, textiles and construction material. This annually renewable resource can also provide energy to the industry, transport and the home. Meanwhile, the soil and the atmosphere on Earth can be restored and pollution reduced. This sustainable resource does it all at one time and is an old acquaintance: cannabis – hemp.’

You are a consumer, retailer, manufacturer, banker, politician, journalist, human being. If you do not refute the above proposition, taking responsibility for the environment will be your duty too. By effectively supporting hemp as you go. Help HempFlax.
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To illustrate that the matter of the "gas chambers", is still unsettled, a new reward offer was carefully considered and discussed, and on 1 April 1982 the IHR announced its new offer to pay "$50,000 to anyone who can prove that gas chambers for the purpose of killing human beings existed at or in Auschwitz Concentration Camp during World War II."
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MISSING VIRUS!
£ 1000 Reward

Blind romantics still believe HIV causes AIDS.
But if 'HIV' has never been isolated, what is
AIDS?

Never isolated? You bet! A cash prize of £ 1000
is offered to the first person finding one scien-
tific paper establishing actual isolation of HIV.

If you or a friendly 'AIDS expert' can prove
isolation, £ 1000 is yours. In cash. In public.

Interested? Pledge the money to your favourite
AIDS charity, why not?

We bet you'll be surprised to discover the truth.
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Win $20,000.00

NHTSA and MADD proclaimed that 17,970* people were killed by drunk drivers in 2002.
We say prove it!
*The NHTSA has revised their figure for 2002. Their new figure is 17,419. We will lower the Challenge number to reflect their revision.

$20,000.00 will be paid to anyone who proves that this statement by the U.S. government is true (see simple rules):

"Despite the tireless efforts of thousands of advocates, impaired drivers continue to kill someone every 30 minutes, nearly 50 people a day, and almost 18,000 citizens a year. NHTSA and its partners are working together to put a stop to these deadly statistics." NHTSA (National Highway Traffic Safety Administration) website
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SAVE A PATRIOT FELLOWSHIP WILL PAY YOU

$10,000.00

IF YOU CAN PROVE THE FOLLOWING FACTS TO BE FALSE
We have conclusive proof that the following FACTS are correct. That is
why we can say - American citizens and permanent resident aliens,
living and working within the States of the Union ARE NOT SUBJECT to
the filing of an IRS Form 1040 and ARE NOT LIABLE for the payment of a
tax on "income"!!! If this sounds odd to you, read on.
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umm...a lot of these don't have the links or the actualy person that's going to pay the reward. Just a challenge...so who's paying it?
 
Question said:
To illustrate that the matter of the "gas chambers", is still unsettled, a new reward offer was carefully considered and discussed, and on 1 April 1982 the IHR announced its new offer to pay "$50,000 to anyone who can prove that gas chambers for the purpose of killing human beings existed at or in Auschwitz Concentration Camp during World War II."
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This has been won:
The IHR's $50,000 offer was accepted by Mel Mermelstein, an Auschwitz survivor. After a four-year court battle, both sides claimed victory, but the end result was that the IHR paid him the money - actually $90,000 - and issued an official Letter of Apology.
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Dr Adequate said:
This has been won:
The IHR's $50,000 offer was accepted by Mel Mermelstein, an Auschwitz survivor. After a four-year court battle, both sides claimed victory, but the end result was that the IHR paid him the money - actually $90,000 - and issued an official Letter of Apology.
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Yes, it was won, but not without a court battle. And kooks have continued to deny that the victory was legitimate, while making their own offers.

Here's an example:

http://groups.google.com/groups?threadm=sysV06w164w@b-cpu.UUCP
http://groups.google.com/groups?threadm=453691w164w@b-cpu.UUCP

Might JREF go down this way? It's possible. A court might make Randi pay someone, and skeptics would just complain about the gullibility of juries.

A challenge must be completely objective to mean anything. While the results of a test might be objective, JREF's decisions on what tests it will and will not do cannot be.
 
‘If the greenhouse effect were to be reversed by a ban on all fossil fuels and their derivatives, or if their use were to come to an end, and no more trees were allowed to be felled in order to prevent further deforestation, then there would be one natural resource able to supply the greater part of the world’s demand for products such as paper, food, textiles and construction material.
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Do you realise this is one sentence?

This annually renewable resource can also provide energy to the industry, transport and the home. Meanwhile, the soil and the atmosphere on Earth can be restored and pollution reduced. This sustainable resource does it all at one time and is an old acquaintance: cannabis – hemp.’
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Hemp ain't all that foks. There's a reason it wasn't well used even in its supposed heyday.

I doubt I could prove it to their satisfaction.

Hemp makes lousy paper. Hemp as a construction material is iffy at best and prone to rot. Hemp cloth is tough but extremely hard to work with. Hemp oil is produced less per acre than corn oil. Hemp does nothing great for the soil. Hemp is not going to feed us.
 
Question said:
MISSING VIRUS!
£ 1000 Reward

Blind romantics still believe HIV causes AIDS.
But if 'HIV' has never been isolated, what is
AIDS?

Never isolated? You bet! A cash prize of £ 1000
is offered to the first person finding one scien-
tific paper establishing actual isolation of HIV.

If you or a friendly 'AIDS expert' can prove
isolation, £ 1000 is yours. In cash. In public.

Interested? Pledge the money to your favourite
AIDS charity, why not?

We bet you'll be surprised to discover the truth.
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Turns out the "blind romantics" are right. Who'd've thunk it?
2. Isolation: the suspected pathogen can be isolated - and propagated - outside the host... With regard to postulate #2, modern culture techniques have allowed the isolation of HIV in virtually all AIDS patients, as well as in almost all HIV-seropositive individuals with both early- and late-stage disease.
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kookbreaker said:
Do you realise this is one sentence?

Hemp ain't all that foks. There's a reason it wasn't well used even in its supposed heyday.

I doubt I could prove it to their satisfaction.
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Once again, Kookbreaker demonstrates an uncanny ability to miss the point.

The thing is, Kook, anyone with an axe to grind can issue a challenge which goes: I don't believe in XXXX and will pay $$$$ to anyone that proves XXXX true.

Such challenges are a phony argument. They prove nothing. They have been used frequently by cranks as evidence for some pretty vile claims. The setter of the challenge never recognises evidence as valid, not ever. An unclaimed prize proves nothing.

You may comment on the siliness of the challenges on the list, but that just makes the point.

There's a creationist offering a big cash prize for anyone proving evolution. He uses his unclaimed prize as evidence that evolution is false. The only people he's impresing are other creationists. It's a dud argument.

Even when run honestly, it means nothing. There are various mathematical prizes on offer to anyone that can prove various theories. The people running the challenge actually want to give the money away. They really hope that someone will come forward with valid proof. Many have stood years or decades without any claimants. The unclaimed prize offers not a shred of evidence that the proposition is false.
 
Firstly, it's obvious you did not.

Secondly, so you think that such challenges are valid? Nobody successfully claiming the creationist prize is good evidence against evolution?
 
Peter Morris said:


Even when run honestly, it means nothing. There are various mathematical prizes on offer to anyone that can prove various theories. The people running the challenge actually want to give the money away. They really hope that someone will come forward with valid proof. Many have stood years or decades without any claimants. The unclaimed prize offers not a shred of evidence that the proposition is false.
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However it is extreamly good evidence that no solution to the problem exists at that time.
 
Fair enough. The trouble is that some people extend 'there's no solution at the moment' to 'there will never be a solution, it's wrong and unsolvable.' Not very bright people, obviously, but there you are.
 
Peter Morris said:
Fair enough. The trouble is that some people extend 'there's no solution at the moment' to 'there will never be a solution, it's wrong and unsolvable.' Not very bright people, obviously, but there you are.
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Evidence? Relivance to anything?
 
Evidence: Randi fans' reaction to Randi's challenge.
Relevence to anything: Randi fans' reaction to Randi's challenge.
 
Peter Morris said:
Evidence: Randi fans' reaction to Randi's challenge.
Relevence to anything: Randi fans' reaction to Randi's challenge.
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Unsupported claims are not evidence. Try again.
 
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