• Security incident: ISF was recently accessed by intruders. Please change your password, and change it anywhere else you used it. Read more

Merged Proud Boys on trial/ Not So Proud......

Pixel42 said:
From the outside looking in, these sentences seem appropriate to me. In fact, some even seem a bit excessive.

These guys didn't come up with the idea of storming the Capitol on their own, they were wound up by, and following the instructions of, the man who was at that point still President of the United States. "I was only following orders" is never an excuse for criminality, of course, but it could still be a mitigating factor in some circumstances.I think this might be one of them.
Click to expand...

At the risk of hinting at Godwin, that is just the old "Nuremburg Defence"

https://www.facinghistory.org/resource-library/obeying-orders

"The judges at Nuremberg rejected the “following orders” defense. They said that when an individual follows an order that is illegal under international law, he is responsible for that choice, except under certain circumstances. For instance, if the individual could prove that he was ignorant of the fact that the order was illegal, he would not be responsible. But the judges at Nuremberg maintained that it would have been impossible for members of Einsatzgruppen not to know that murdering civilians was both illegal and immoral."​


Fealty to The Fat Orange Turd be damned. Every man Jack of those Oath Keepers, Proud Boys and Three Percenters must have known that plotting to overturn the election, and to kill Mike Pence, Nancy Pelosi, AOC and any other congress person they could get their hands on, would be a crime - and I have absolutely zero doubt that they would have murdered Pelosi adn AOC if they had managed to capture her.
 
i was just following orders when you're there voluntarily doesn't even make sense

also, some irony in even at the sentencing still mimicking nazis
 
An attempt to understand Enrique Tarrio's motivation:
The former chairman of the Proud Boys, Enrique Tarrio, was sentenced to 22 years in federal prison last week, marking the longest sentence in a January 6th case so far. Tarrio, an Afro-Latino who is from Miami, has sparked curiosity with his involvement in a group whose members express white nationalist views. MSNBC’s Alicia Menendez is joined by NBC News Digital Justice Reporter Ryan Reilly, author of “Sedition Hunters,” and MSNBC Contributor Paola Ramos, who has met with Tarrio in 2019 while working on her book “Finding Latinx,” to discuss the sentencing of Tarrio and the background of his extremist views.
Enrique Tarrio: the Latino Proud Boys Leader who fought for Trump (MSNBC on YouTube, Sep 11, 2023 - 4:56)min
Click to expand...


Former Proud Boys leader Enrique Tarrio was sentenced to 22 years for seditious conspiracy in connection with the January 6th attack on the U.S. Capitol. Shan Wu shares his thoughts on the judge’s decision and how it reflects accountability for domestic terrorism.
The Fall of a Proud Boy: Justice served with a 22-Year sentence (MSNBC on YouTube, Sep 11, 2023 - 5:34 min)
Click to expand...
 
Jan 6 rioter convicted and sentenced 'in secret'.

WASHINGTON (AP) — Hundreds of rioters have been charged, convicted and sentenced for joining the mob attack on the U.S. Capitol. Unlike their cases, Samuel Lazar’s appears to have been resolved in secret — kept under seal with no explanation, even after his release from prison.

Lazar, 37, of Ephrata, Pennsylvania, was arrested in July 2021 on charges that he came to the Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021, dressed in tactical gear and protective goggles, and used chemical spray on officers who were desperately trying to beat back the angry Donald Trump supporters.

There is no public record of a conviction or a sentence in Lazar’s court docket.

But the Bureau of Prisons told The Associated Press that the man was released from federal custody this week after completing a sentence for assaulting or resisting a federal officer. Lazar was sentenced in Washington’s federal court on March 17 to 30 months in prison, according to the Bureau of Prisons, but there’s no public record of such a hearing. He had been jailed since July 2021.
Click to expand...

https://apnews.com/article/3c4ffcc5ebeaff6fd6aa279d0ce888ad
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Share this page

ISF - Join now!

Every member here is approved by hand. No bots, no spam, just people who care about evidence and honest debate.

Membership is free!

Create your free account

Back
Top Bottom