Merged Protests disrupt college campuses / Campus Protests

[Random]

Doesn't happen anymore to peaceful protesters.

It happened a few times in the 2020 BLM protests. That wasn't really ancient history.

 

[Donal]

Doesn't happen anymore to peaceful protesters.

Except when cops show up.

n the Mott Haven protest, the NYPD was criticized for kettling protesters, essentially trapping them and giving them no choice but to break a curfew that the city had implemented to quell unres

The cops prevented demonstrators from complying. If the cops can't find violence when they get there, they'll get it started themselves.

Here's the NYPD driving through a group of demonstators.



And don't forget the laws being passed in several states giving anyone permission to drive through demonstrations.

 

[Donal]

Doesn't matter.

It absoltuely does.

There is no reason for peaceful protesters to become violent.

You don't beleive in self defense

Police will not attack peaceful protesters.

Keep repeating a lie enough and it becomes true?

But they will arrest them.

And beat them. For executing the First Amedment rights.

You need to learn what peaceful protest and non-violent resistance actually means.

Apparnetly it means not making suburban white folks uncomfortable.

 

[Hercules56]

...You don't beleive in self defense.....

You have no moral or legal right to engage in self-defense against police who are affecting a lawful arrest.

Apparnetly it means not making suburban white folks uncomfortable.

You would know.

 

[Donal]

You have no moral or legal right to engage in self-defense against police who are affecting a lawful arrest.

1) A lot of these arrests are not lawful

2) A lawful arrest is not neccisserily moral

You would know.

Of course I would. I see the masks coming off all the time.

 

[Random]

You have no moral or legal right to engage in self-defense against police who are affecting a lawful arrest.

Leading to the obvious question: What if it is an unlawful arrest?

eta: ninja'ed

 

[Hercules56]

Leading to the obvious question: What if it is an unlawful arrest?

eta: ninja'ed

If you are engaging in an unlawful protest, or trespassing, the arrest is legal.

 

[Random]

If you are engaging in an unlawful protest, or trespassing, the arrest is legal.

Ah, so all you have to do to crush a peaceful protest is declare a protest illegal, then send in the cops. Got it.

 

[ponderingturtle]

It happened a few times in the 2020 BLM protests. That wasn't really ancient history.

Come on that old guy had his broken skull coming.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffalo_police_shoving_incident

 

[Donal]

Just stay in your fenced in and barb wired "free speech zone" and nothing bad will happen. Except if we think someone nearby might be committing a crime.

 

[Hercules56]

Ah, so all you have to do to crush a peaceful protest is declare a protest illegal, then send in the cops. Got it.

Protests in the street are illegal, without a permit. The street is for cars. Cops have the authority to stop such protests.

 

[Donal]

Protests in the street are illegal, without a permit.

Like the March across the Pettis Brdige.

The street is for cars.

thats a compeltely different **** show of a discussion.

Cops have the authority to stop such protests.

Yes, the state enforcers have the authority to violently enforce the will of the state. No one is denying that. No matter what that pesky Constitution says.

 

[ponderingturtle]

Protests in the street are illegal, without a permit. The street is for cars. Cops have the authority to stop such protests.

And cops have a great kettling technique to turn any protest violent. See you block all the exits and then order people to leave, then they are refusing a lawful but impossible order and you can bust heads. Great fun for the cops.

 

[ponderingturtle]

Like the March across the Pettis Brdige.

Exactly. People forget how terrible and immoral Martin Luther King jr.'s march to Montgomery was and think the nobel police and klan breaking it up was some kind of bad thing.

 

[Random]

Protests in the street are illegal, without a permit. The street is for cars. Cops have the authority to stop such protests.

There are a zillion ways to have a demonstration declared illegal if you put your mind to it. Make it illegal to gather in large numbers without a permit then deny the permit, surround the protesters with a ring of cops and prevent them from until they "violate curfew", hold a meeting of college faculty declaring that remaining on a particular part of the campus after a certain time is trespassing and then not telling the students about it till the last moment, etc.

To say nothing of all the traditional things that cops can arrest you for on a whim, jaywalking, blocking vehicle traffic, blocking pedestrian traffic, etc.

Protests annoy people in authority. That's kind of the point. They can't possibly accomplish anything otherwise. And people in authority will always have the edge in deciding what is and is not illegal. Not to mention that the fact you will win a lawsuit two years from now does nothing to minigate the cop hitting you with a baton right now.

 

[Donal]

It is not uncommon for the cops to go in busting skulls and figure out the offense later. Don't even bother with a pretense.

Resisiting arrest is a crime in places. Think about how stupid that is. Not "assualting an officer" or damaging property (a grave crime indeed). Just plain old "not just giving yourself over to the cops" as if you have no rights the second a cop shows up.

 

[Hercules56]

It is not uncommon for the cops to go in busting skulls and figure out the offense later. Don't even bother with a pretense.

Resisiting arrest is a crime in places. Think about how stupid that is. Not "assualting an officer" or damaging property (a grave crime indeed). Just plain old "not just giving yourself over to the cops" as if you have no rights the second a cop shows up.

So you don't think any of the January 6th insurrectionists should have been charged with violently resisting arrest?

 

[Donal]

We have the evidence they started the violence and they went there specifically to do so. The only person who suffered from police violence that day was Ashley Babbit and we have the full video from the encounter. I don't remember police SUVs driving through the crowd. I seem to remember police withdrawing as far as they could to avoid confrontation. Even high fiving them and letting them through in a few cases.

Here's the NYPD letting a group of Proud Boys avoid a subway fare. Cops seem pretty pick and choose about enforcing the law. I wonder white the difference is.

Also, I specifically differentiated between assualting an officer (a felony pretty much anywhere) and "resisiting arrest".

 

[Hercules56]

We have the evidence they started the violence and they went there specifically to do so. The only person who suffered from police violence that day was Ashley Babbit and we have the full video from the encounter. I don't remember police SUVs driving through the crowd. I seem to remember police withdrawing as far as they could to avoid confrontation. Even high fiving them and letting them through in a few cases.

Here's the NYPD letting a group of Proud Boys avoid a subway fare. Cops seem pretty pick and choose about enforcing the law. I wonder white the difference is.

Also, I specifically differentiated between assualting an officer (a felony pretty much anywhere) and "resisiting arrest".

The student occupiers of Hamilton Hall had knives and other weapons in their possession. Looks like they were not there to remain peaceful.

 

[Manger Douse]

unless they are getting kettled. Also, have you tried walking in a cloud of tear gas?

Also, why should they walk away? Might makes right?

Evidence they were getting kettled, tear gassed and couldn't leave please: