Protest in France: "Jews get out".

[Virus]

They came out for a "Day of Rage" protest on the eve of Holocaust Remembrance Day in support of that twit who does anti-Semitic performance art and invented a hidden Nazi salute.



They're saying "Jews get out. France is not for you"

 

[angrysoba]

That's shocking stuff. I see they were also chanting about Faurison and saying that the gas chambers never happened.

What a bunch of merdeheads.

 

[Virus]

I see they don't even bother to disguise the Nazi salute anymore.

 

[DC]

aah look at our cultural superiority right there.....

 

[L.Y.S.]

aah look at our cultural superiority right there.....

I was saying the same thing.

 

[bluesjnr]

They came out for a "Day of Rage" protest on the eve of Holocaust Remembrance Day in support of

They're saying "Jews get out. France is not for you"

What is your position on this subject? Anti-semitism is alive and well all over the world. I'm sure you've heard of Brendan O'Connell and the Australian League of Rights^WP?

 

[Craig B]

They came out for a "Day of Rage" protest on the eve of Holocaust Remembrance Day in support of that twit who does anti-Semitic performance art and invented a hidden Nazi salute.



They're saying "Jews get out. France is not for you"

I think maybe this is what Virus is getting at, from his linked article at "Liberty Law Forum"

Here I must add that the structure of socialist economic thought is exactly the same as the structure of ant-Semitic economic thought: if anti-Semitism is the socialism of fools, socialism is the anti-Semitism of intellectuals.

That doesn't make a lot of sense to me. But antisemitism in France is particularly shocking, as that was the first country to admit Jews to equal citizenship with other parts of the population, by decree of the National Assembly, 27 September 1791.

 

[angrysoba]

I think maybe this is what Virus is getting at, from his linked article at "Liberty Law Forum" That doesn't make a lot of sense to me. But antisemitism in France is particularly shocking, as that was the first country to admit Jews to equal citizenship with other parts of the population, by decree of the National Assembly, 27 September 1791.

Yeah, I thought that bit by Dalrymple made no sense whatsoever.

 

[Craig B]

Yeah, I thought that bit by Dalrymple made no sense whatsoever.

The ideological background is interesting. According to http://www.libertylawsite.org/about/ Liberty Law Forum is provided by Liberty Fund inc, described here.

In his book The Assault on Reason, Al Gore says that between 2002 and 2004 97% of the attendees at Liberty Fund training seminars for judges were Republican administration appointees. Gore suggests that such conferences and seminars are one of the reasons that judges who regularly attend such conferences "are generally responsible for writing the most radical pro-corporate, antienvironmental, and activist decisions." Referring to what he calls the "Big Three," the Foundation for Research on Economics and the Environment, George Mason University's Law & Economics Center (LEC), and the Liberty Fund he adds, "These groups are not providing unbiased judicial education. They are giving multithousand-dollar vacations to federal judges to promote their radical right-wing agenda at the expense of the public interest."
Liberty Fund has been cited as one of the endowed conservative foundations which laid the way for the election of U.S. president Ronald Reagan in 1980.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberty_Fund

 

[Craig B]

Yeah, I thought that bit by Dalrymple made no sense whatsoever.

It's not very clear from French history that "Socialism is the anti-semitism of intellectuals".

... a group of left-wing politicians, led by Blum, Edouard Daladier, Maurice Thorez, Edouard Herriot, Daniel Mayer formed the Popular Front in November 1935. Parties involved in the agreement included the Communist Party, the Socialist Party and the Radical Party.

The parties involved in the Popular Front did well in the May 1936 parliamentary elections and won a total of 376 seats. Blum, leader of the Socialist Party, now become prime minister of France. Blum therefore became the first Jew in France history to hold this post.

Once in power the Popular Front government introduced the 40 hour week and other social reforms. It also nationalized the Bank of France and the armaments industry.

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/2WWblum.htm

 

[angrysoba]

It's not very clear from French history that "Socialism is the anti-semitism of intellectuals".http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/2WWblum.htm

No, but it appears to be his own elaboration on an older formulation, which is currently doing the rounds:

In the late 19th century, the German Marxist August Bebel observed that anti-Jewish prejudice was “the socialism of fools”. From Marx’s plea for the withering away of Jewishness to the popular euphemistic references to “rootless cosmopolitans” in the Stalin era, the left has had, to put it mildly, a problematic relationship with the world’s oldest monotheistic religion. The French left’s relationship has been more difficult than most. During the revolution of 1789, Jews were attacked for clinging selfishly to their religious identity. Even an ardent Dreyfusard such as the socialist leader Jean Jaurès could still insist that “the Jewish race was consumed by a sort of fever for profit”. What is new today is the appeal of this race-hate discourse to a fashionable, anti-globalisation, up-yours, them-and-us (“them” frequently being Jewish financiers and Holocaust memorialisers) coalition of radical Islamists, hip middle-class white Parisians, alienated black youth and Jewish-world-domination conspiracy theorists.

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2014/01/radicalism-fools-rise-new-anti-semitism

 

[Craig B]

@ angrysoba

What is new today is the appeal of this race-hate discourse

Interesting, but Léon Blum probably didn't see things that way last century, that socialism was "race-hate discourse"

Blum had little interest in politics until the Dreyfus Affair of 1894, which had a traumatic effect on him as it did on many French Jews. Campaigning as a Dreyfusard brought him into contact with the socialist leader Jean Jaurès, whom he greatly admired. He began contributing to the socialist daily, L'Humanité, and joined the Socialist Party, then called the SFIO. Soon he was the party's main theoretician.

Did he expound anti-semitism or race hate discourse as part of his theoretical contributions?

ETA

Blum, however, was attacked by segments of the French far-right, for his Jewishness, while the Action française, far-right leagues and the Cagoule terrorist group engaged in antisemitic propaganda.

End ETA

By the way, I accept that Karl Marx was anti-Jewish on a personal level, as well as in at least one of his published writings (his own Jewish origin notwithstanding), but his disciples didn't follow him in this. See F Kaplan http://www.amazon.co.uk/Marx-antisemite-Francis-Kaplan/dp/2902702647 .

 

[Polaris]

I think maybe this is what Virus is getting at, from his linked article at "Liberty Law Forum" That doesn't make a lot of sense to me. But antisemitism in France is particularly shocking, as that was the first country to admit Jews to equal citizenship with other parts of the population, by decree of the National Assembly, 27 September 1791.

Not familiar with the Dreyfus Affair?

 

[Craig B]

Not familiar with the Dreyfus Affair?

Don't be silly. I have just quoted a source containing these words:

Blum had little interest in politics until the Dreyfus Affair of 1894, which had a traumatic effect on him as it did on many French Jews.

This "traumatic effect" was occasioned by the very fact to which I have alluded: that given the historical background, this Affair was particularly outrageous, as are more modern manifestations of antisemitism in France.

Dreyfus was an army officer, one of many Jewish officers. How could this happen in France? Russia, or Germany ... How many Jewish officers in their armies? Anti semitism there was less surprising; in France it was very shocking.

On January 13, 1898, France’s leading novelist, Émile Zola, entered the fray with a polemic, J’Accuse, naming the officers responsible for the conspiracy against Dreyfus. It was hailed as heroic by the Left, outrageous by the Right, and provoked anti-Semitic riots throughout France. Opinion abroad was incredulous. How could France, the most civilised country in Europe, experience this eruption of medieval barbarism? Why had the case of one Jewish officer led to this rage against all Jews?

(From: France is still fractured by the Dreyfus Affair, By Piers Paul Read. Daily Telegraph, 28 Jan 2012)

 

[Giz]

Wow. How quickly the discussion of modern anti-semites in france can get turned into an inquisition on a poster's sig line. Remarkable.

 

[blutoski]

I think maybe this is what Virus is getting at, from his linked article at "Liberty Law Forum" That doesn't make a lot of sense to me. But antisemitism in France is particularly shocking, as that was the first country to admit Jews to equal citizenship with other parts of the population, by decree of the National Assembly, 27 September 1791.

French attitude toward Jews eroded at the end of the 19th century, in concert with the rest of Europe.

1894's [L'Affaire Dreyfus] precipitated familiar prewar European antisemitism that was arguably only reversed by the aftermath of WWII - the association of domestic antisemitism with foreign (ie: Nazi) collaboration.


ETA: sorry for repeating information already discussed on the thread - I replied before continuing and hadn't read the other posts on Dreyfus Affair.

 

[Craig B]

French attitude toward Jews eroded at the end of the 19th century, in concert with the rest of Europe.

1894's [L'Affaire Dreyfus] precipitated familiar prewar European antisemitism that was arguably only reversed by the aftermath of WWII - the association of domestic antisemitism with foreign (ie: Nazi) collaboration.


ETA: sorry for repeating information already discussed on the thread - I replied before continuing and hadn't read the other posts on Dreyfus Affair.

But still valuable. The reappearance of antisemitism in post WWII times is very disheartening.

 

[blutoski]

But still valuable. The reappearance of antisemitism in post WWII times is very disheartening.

Yep. My feeling is that it's not so much increasing in popularity as perhaps increasing in boldness. The same perennial slice of national rejects, just now they're more likely to feel safe goosestepping through the streets.

Three generations removed from Nazi occupation, the association with that evil is weaker.
They can portray themselves as French nationalists without the taint of a German fifth column.

 

[Ryokan]

Maybe they're just Judaism critics?

 

[Olowkow]

They're saying "Jews get out. France is not for you"

Subtle nitpick, but "La France n'est pas à toi" is more like "France does not belong to you" or "...is not yours."