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Prostitution with 16

So no handcuffs in your night stand I take it.
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That would be a question of consensual play, not necessarily sex.

But that play is also based on open and honest communication, with complete respect for boundaries.

If you can't see the difference between that and rape, again I pity you.
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No, it's not a fact. It's your assumption. And we're not talking about just *any* attention -- move goalposts much? Unless you have studies specifically about rape in such situations?
No, it is a fact. I did not say prostitutes do not go to the police.
I said they are less likely to do so. Which is why you clearly are arguing against a strawman than what I said.

There have been tons of documentaries and interviews on the subject where working women clearly stated that they were raped and did not bother reporting it to the police because of their profession.

Even Penn and Teller did a show about it and interviewed several prostitues. I'm more sure a quick youtube search will lead you to it.

It's a simple fact, you go to the police, they start asking basic questions (or the rapist state them when he is brought in). Either way, making your issue known to the police can lead to bad consequences to you. So you think twice about it. Some people would still do it, others won't. Plain and simple.

Therefore, again, ilegal prostitutes are less likely to report crimes than legal prostitues.

Again: I have friends, associates and just folks I know, and I know for a fact that an escort where I live is going to go to the cops in a heartbeat if she's been raped. I've known several who have done so, and none were arrested for prostitution. And everyone, male and female, in our little national online community has encouraged them to do so, and supported them as appropriate while they do
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Good for them. Seriously.
But you do realize you are talking about people with a supportive online community? Are you saying that everyone are like that?

Realize that you just made my point for me. The fact that you admit you needed to persuade and encourage people to come forward means they were considering not coming forward to begin with.

Now imagine someone on the streets with no such supportive community.
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Yes, illegals are less likely to know that they have rights, too.

But gays in the military? Once again, I'm going to call BS unless you can offer more than bald assertion to support this.
Again, you are the one full of BS. This is your most basic from of blackmail (or fear of it).

It doesn't matter what form of crime or misconduct we are talking about.
If person A did something bad and person B saw him.
And if Pesron B has a "dark secret" that could get him in trouble,
And B thinks that either A knows he has said "dark secret" or that somehow that might be discovered, he might decide to let A go so he won't expose.

Does everyone do that? Nope. Some will still do the right thing.
Others won't. But if B had nothing to lose, B will be far more inclined to do so than if he had something to lose.

And I note you have apparently backed off from your claim about fewer rapists on the street, but the honest thing to do would be admit your error.
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Nope. I have not backed off from any claims. Once again, you are claiming I said stuff which I never have. The hoenst thing will be to admint you are the one who is BS-ing.

I said it before and I will say it again:
If people will report rapes when they occur, it will increase the chances of the police arresting said rapists and will make it less likely for said rapists to rape again. Thus, there are less rapes overall. Or are you saying that if there are X rapes in a given year they are all done by different people with no repeat offenders?

Making prostitution legal would make it more likely for prostitutes to report their rape and as such will reduce rape rates overall.

By how much? I have no idea. Could be 90% could be 0.000000000001%.
But it will have some form of effect.
 
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That would be a question of consensual play, not necessarily sex.


Yes, specifically power play. Clearly it has nothing to do with sex and only some total pervert would ever introduce power play into sex right?
But that play is also based on open and honest communication, with complete respect for boundaries.

Now you are getting into ethics not drive. You were clear the first time power and control that handcuffs represent has nothing to do with sex aside from people like rapists.
If you can't see the difference between that and rape, again I pity you.

The point is that it is non consensual not that it come from entirely different drives. That is a false distancing that people put into trying to make rape entirely unlike sex.
 
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I don't have a personal problem with prostitution being legal
Most of people do not want to work as prostitutes. Even less people want their family members do this job. It seems to me that many people do have personal problems with prostitution. Legal or not legal, they just do not want to do it. In people's minds, in most of them, prostitution is not seen as a normal work. The answer is- no, it shouldn't be legal.
 
Most of people do not want to work as prostitutes. Even less people want their family members do this job. It seems to me that many people do have personal problems with prostitution. Legal or not legal, they just do not want to do it. In people's minds, in most of them, prostitution is not seen as a normal work. The answer is- no, it shouldn't be legal.

why shouldn't it be legal?

most people don't want to work as street cleaner, even less want their family members do this job. therefore Street cleaner should be illegal.
 
why shouldn't it be legal?

most people don't want to work as street cleaner, even less want their family members do this job. therefore Street cleaner should be illegal.

If your son or daughter told you: I have only two options currently: to work as a street cleaner or to work as a prostitute, what would you say?
If your cruel life (for example) gave you the choice: to clean the street or to work as a prostitute, what choice would you make?
To discuss legal or not legal is good in theory. But in practice, the answer is no.
 
Also, I think it is a tacit admission of the imbalance of power in such places to the worker.

Quite the opposite in my case. I am far more concerned about the imbalance of power for independant sex workers. They're the ones at significant risk of getting raped or beaten up or refused payment. Those things won't happen with a security staff present. There will also be the structure present to enfore things like condom usage.
 
If your son or daughter told you: I have only two options currently: to work as a street cleaner or to work as a prostitute, what would you say?
If your cruel life (for example) gave you the choice: to clean the street or to work as a prostitute, what choice would you make?
To discuss legal or not legal is good in theory. But in practice, the answer is no.

my kids would have to know for them self what the better job is. I personally would choose the street cleaning job. I would turn away to many clients anyway to work as a prostitute and i don't look good enough to still make a living of it by only serving the sexy clients. But others have no problem with having sex with ugly people. So why should they not offer this service for money?
what is wrong with the service "sex" compared to the service "cleaning streets"?
 
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If your son or daughter told you: I have only two options currently: to work as a street cleaner or to work as a prostitute, what would you say?

I would tell them "You do whatever you honestly want to do. Whatever makes you happy. As long as you do it in a responsible way. And don't ever hesitate to consult with me if you feel that at some point in your life, you may have made a mistake and need advice"

That's what I would tell my son or daughter, if I had one. That applies for everything, not only the scenario you've provided.
 
Quite the opposite in my case. I am far more concerned about the imbalance of power for independant sex workers. They're the ones at significant risk of getting raped or beaten up or refused payment. Those things won't happen with a security staff present. There will also be the structure present to enfore things like condom usage.

And as for how the split between them and the house is determined can be done in many different fashions. They could pay the house a flat fee for use of its facilities and not a percentage for example.
 
No, it is a fact.
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Because you say so?

Gotcha.

No need to talk to you anymore, then.

I'm still wondering how legalizing prostitution will make rapists disappear so there are fewer of them on the streets, but I guess you''ll just wave your magic wand and make that happen as well.
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Yes, specifically power play. Clearly it has nothing to do with sex and only some total pervert would ever introduce power play into sex right?
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No, not right -- but do you really not understand the difference between *consensual* power play (with or without sex) and rape?
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Now you are getting into ethics not drive. You were clear the first time power and control that handcuffs represent has nothing to do with sex aside from people like rapists.
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Never said that, so I'd appreciate you not putting words in my mouth.
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The point is that it is non consensual not that it come from entirely different drives. That is a false distancing that people put into trying to make rape entirely unlike sex.
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Rape is entirely unlike sex. I pity your partners, as well.
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If your son or daughter told you: I have only two options currently: to work as a street cleaner or to work as a prostitute, what would you say?
If your cruel life (for example) gave you the choice: to clean the street or to work as a prostitute, what choice would you make?
To discuss legal or not legal is good in theory. But in practice, the answer is no.

Why not? What's wrong with people using their bodies as they wish?

Besides, prostitutes earn several hundred dollars an hour. That has to factor in.

For myself, I would go with the street cleaner. Mainly because I can't imagine anyone willing to pay for sex with me.
 
I am concerned with the focus many have on having it legalised for brothels and with strict regulations. I mean, regulations, sure. But making it only legal in brothels is barely better than having it illegal. It is not like all the street-walkers, independents, escorts, hustlers, etc. can just join a brothel. Also, I think it is a tacit admission of the imbalance of power in such places to the worker.

Then explain the lack of street walkers and others in Melbourne.
 
Should prostitution be legal? and when yes, from what age on?

In my country it is totally legal to work as a prostitute when you are 16 or older.

There are since a long time debates about that.

Prostitution is seen as a economic sector and from on 16 you don't have to go to school anymore and are allowed to work. this includes prostitution if you want.

what do you think? is 16 ok or should it be 18 or 21?



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I would prefer to see prostitution both legal and well regulated.

However, I think that the age limit should be at least 18 for anyone in the sex industry.
 
If your son or daughter told you: I have only two options currently: to work as a street cleaner or to work as a prostitute, what would you say?
If your cruel life (for example) gave you the choice: to clean the street or to work as a prostitute, what choice would you make?
To discuss legal or not legal is good in theory. But in practice, the answer is no.

Which pays more, and which would they rather do?
 
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No, not right -- but do you really not understand the difference between *consensual* power play (with or without sex) and rape?
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Yes the difference in empathy and caring, not that they come from different kinds of emotions and push different buttons.
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Never said that, so I'd appreciate you not putting words in my mouth.
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You said rape was about power and control not sex. So bdsm is not about sex either as it is about power and control, it just is consensual. You drew a line between being about power and control and being about sex. Well it is clear on which side of the dividing line the one would come down on.

But clearly you love false dichotomies, what are your other favorite fallacies to engage in?
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Rape is entirely unlike sex. I pity your partners, as well.
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Gee so much for your concerns about putting words in peoples mouths. Just go with the personal attacks.
 
Aside from the fact that we now seem have some separate threads on the nature of BDSM and the nature of Rape, I saw a programme last night that included interviews with both the owner and one of working girls at a legal brothel in Nevada. Highly regulated, very nice environment, positive attitudes and clearly safer and more pleasant for all the people involved. The owner essentially provided the building and security while each of the prostitutes worked as an independent contractor, kind of like a franchise in a department store, seemed to work well and benefitted everyone. Prostitution will never go away and I think that there are now enough clear examples of legalised prostitution working well that the question should be why isn't it being legalised everywhere?
 
one of working girls at a legal brothel in Nevada.

Just to provide some clarity on this aspect of the issue. Prostitution in Nevada is legal only in counties less than 400,000 people. Therefore, it is illegal in Las Vegas and Reno. Furthermore, it is legal only in licensed, regulated brothels. State law requires weekly STD testing and condoms.
 

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