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Proposition 8 Struck Down!!!

Robert Prey said:
The idea of same sex "marriage" is an oxymoron and a perversion of the word "marriage."
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It's not an idea, it's a reality and it's coming next to Washington State very, very soon. You can think whatever you want to, it doesn't change the reality that tens of thousands of LEGAL same sex MARRIAGES have already occurred.

We are all around you.
 
Robert Prey said:
Homosexual "marriage" is not a "right" but a perversion.
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Is heterosexual marriage a "right" then?

Robert Prey said:
The Constitution does not empower any court to repeal the Laws of Nature nor the rights, privileges and immunities bestowed upon married couples, male and female, and their progeny as defined by thousands of years of custom and usage and the Laws of Nature as well.
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You really should look up what the Laws of Nature are.

Get back to us when you identify the law of nature this violates.

Robert Prey said:
The idea of same sex "marriage" is an oxymoron and a perversion of the word "marriage."
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Really? You are aware there are cultures where same sex marriage is normal right?
 
BenBurch said:
Yes.

It's a disease you get from contact with infected bodily fluids.

What relevance do you imagine it has here?
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I think his revulsion stems from racial hatred rather than homophobia, personally. Here is some facts about homosexuality and disease, it's mostly from the portion of the community that are black men, according the federal database on the subject.

Personally I blame society for that, it's obviously the result of the woeful state of education blacks are afforded in the nation and the fact that the majority of blacks can't afford health care. Address those problems and you'll likely see a sharp decline in the problem.

Won't address the fact that Prey is a ignorant, racist kid, though.
 
KingMerv00 said:
So wives are still the property of their husbands in your eyes? Should children produced out of wedlock have fewer rights? Should divorce be illegal?

In any event, you are wrong. The Constitution does exactly that.
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Where? Enlighten me.
 
Dessi said:
Before you can even ask that question, why don't you define the term "perversion"? What are the criteria for classifying things as being a perversion?

Really, do you think about the meaning of words when you use them? If woman sucking a man's dick == not perverted, and man sucking a man's dick == perverted, man marrying a woman = not perverted, and man marrying a man = perverted, what changed the act from not perverted to perverted? Obviously, the gender of the partners involved is a difference, but what possible criteria for perversion applies to the second act without carrying over to the first?

I'd say there is no criteria separating the two behaviors in and of themselves, just your reaction to them. Perversion, in this sense, is a synonym for "things I find gross".

So, when is a "right" a "right" and when is it's gross? As a matter of fact, people have the right to all kinds of things which you or someone else considers gross, they can be gross with as many people as possible so long as everyone involved is fully informed, consenting, and participates voluntarily.

"Things Robert Prey finds gross" isn't actually a basis for rights in the first place, that's a fact. You can agree with that much, right?

0 for 5, perhaps time to stop betting on that horse.
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Baloney.
 
Originally Posted by Robert Prey
Divine? Debatable. But Natural?? Absolutely.

Unabogie said:
I don't know what that means.
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Let me put it to you ABC Kindygarten simple:
When you use an orifice for something other than it's purpose in nature, that is unnatural and unnatural acts can lead to horrific natural consequences. Common Sense.
 
Robert Prey said:
Originally Posted by Robert Prey
Let me put it to you ABC Kindygarten simple:
When you use an orifice for something other than it's purpose in nature, that is unnatural and unnatural acts can lead to horrific natural consequences. Common Sense.
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I can't disagree with this. Everyone in this thread is seeing the horrific consequence of using one's anus for communication.
 
Travis said:
Really? You are aware there are cultures where same sex marriage is normal right?
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Perhaps you should enlighten him. I'm not anti-gay, but I've never heard of same-sex marriage being normal in any culture prior to the 20th century.
 
madfoot said:
Perhaps you should enlighten him. I'm not anti-gay, but I've never heard of same-sex marriage being normal in any culture prior to the 20th century.
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There are some in China and in the South Pacific. Their names elude me for the moment. Perhaps someone here who is more studied on this knows.
 
madfoot said:
Perhaps you should enlighten him. I'm not anti-gay, but I've never heard of same-sex marriage being normal in any culture prior to the 20th century.
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Perhaps you should learn some history.

Homosexuality was considered perfectly normal and acceptable in Ancient Greece. The Sacred Band of Thebes, one of the most badass military units in history, consisted entirely of pairs of homosexual lovers.
 
Robert Prey said:
No such permission to yell "fire" in a crowded theater, nor permission to pervert the institution of Marriage exists in Art. III.
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But they already destroyed the traditional institution of marriage. If it had been preserved it would have stayed between a husband and a wife with only one of them having rights. Treating women as equals created the situation where marriage between two people of the same sex makes sense. Traditionally it does not as who would own who?
 
Chaos said:
Perhaps you should learn some history.

Homosexuality was considered perfectly normal and acceptable in Ancient Greece. The Sacred Band of Thebes, one of the most badass military units in history, consisted entirely of pairs of homosexual lovers.
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Sure but I don't think they were viewed as married. In the classic world they didn't care so much who men had sex with but they were supposed to be properly married. That was the point of a platonic relationship you couldn't have a deep relationship with someone as stupid as a woman. That kind of intellectual relationship could only exist between men.
 
Robert Prey said:
Let me put it to you ABC Kindygarten simple:
When you use an orifice for something other than it's purpose in nature, that is unnatural and unnatural acts can lead to horrific natural consequences. Common Sense.
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Robert, "Common Sense" (especially when you proper noun capitalize it like that) is just another way of saying "This is merely my opinion based on that to which I am accustomed. I either will not or can not support my position." Saying "Common Sense" does not support what you are saying in any way. The sooner you learn that, the better.

As to your assertion, who is to say that anal sex is not merely another purpose for the anus? Other orifices server multiple purposes (see mouth). If people derive pleasure from it, is that not another purpose?

Challenge yourself by answering with a real argument instead of "Common Sense".
 
madfoot said:
Perhaps you should enlighten him. I'm not anti-gay, but I've never heard of same-sex marriage being normal in any culture prior to the 20th century.
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Travis didn't mention anything about "prior to the 20th century" in the post to which you are replying. That said...

According to Wikipedia, there were several societies that practiced same-sex unions, including Ancient Greece and Rome, certain regions of China, and at various times in ancient Europe.

It is believed that a same-sex union was a socially recognized institution at times in Ancient Greece and Rome,[2] some regions of China, such as Fujian province, and at certain times in ancient European history.[3] These gay unions continued until Christianity became the official religion of the Roman Empire. A law in the Theodosian Code (C. Th. 9.7.3) was issued in 342 AD by the Christian emperors Constantius II and Constans, which prohibited same-sex marriage in ancient Rome and ordered that those who were so married were to be executed.​

So I guess it was Christianity that perverted the traditional meaning of marriage.

ponderingturtle said:
Sure but I don't think they were viewed as married. In the classic world they didn't care so much who men had sex with but they were supposed to be properly married. That was the point of a platonic relationship you couldn't have a deep relationship with someone as stupid as a woman. That kind of intellectual relationship could only exist between men.
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From the same article:

The first Roman emperor to have married a man was Nero, who is reported to have married two other men on different occasions. Nero "married a man named Sporus in a very public ceremony... with all the solemnities of matrimony, and lived with him as his spouse" A friend gave the "bride" away "as required by law."[21] The marriage was celebrated separately in both Greece and Rome in extravagant public ceremonies.[22] The emperor Elagabalus married an athlete named Hierocles in a lavish public ceremony in Rome amidst the rejoicings of the citizens.[23]​

-Bri
 
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madfoot said:
Perhaps you should enlighten him. I'm not anti-gay, but I've never heard of same-sex marriage being normal in any culture prior to the 20th century.
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Why are the laws and mores prior to the 20th Century what defines "normal"?
 
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