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Proposition 8 Struck Down!!!

cwalner said:
I am so sorry that this upsets you. I would be more than happy to comfort you in your time of distress.
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Not me.

I hope Robert Prey and his ilk are so pissed off they are on the verge of a stroke.

But then I love me some schadenfreude.

;)
 
Sometimes the 9th circut gets it right.

This is one of those times.

If I and my girl can go down to the county clerk's office and get a license and get married, there's no legal reason for two adults of the same sex to be denied that same right.
 
I hate the phrase 'same sex' or 'gay' marriage as it creates (in my mind) a separate but equal definition of marriage.

I prefer what was said in a judicial ruling a few years ago: 'There is no such thing as gay marriage, only marriage, and everyone is entitled to it'.
 
cwalner said:
I mean, I know many liberals that were quite annoyed with the Citizen's United decision, but I have never heard a single one of them claim or even imply that the court overstepped its authority by doing so
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You haven't?
 
johnny karate said:
What does it say about your god when "two deviant black robed oath takers" can so easily subvert his will? I mean, where's the fire and brimstone? The rain of frogs? How about a plague? Or at least a really bad head cold? I guess the old fella ain't what he used to be.
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I hear one of them got a hangnail while typing the decision. Does that count? They can really hurt, you know.
 
Robert Prey said:
The voice of the people, of the Common Law, Natural Law and Common Sense overruled by two deviant black robed oath takers.
God, help us, but only temporarily.
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Easily done.

Instead of defending the word marriage, you must delegitimize it.
Simply write a constitutional amendment that the government no longer
recognizes marriage as legally valid, that only civil unions between two
or more people registered with the government posses legal rights that
applied to the word marriage.

Then again I suspect you won't take the libertarian choice. Nobody ever does.
 
Solitaire said:
Easily done.

Instead of defending the word marriage, you must delegitimize it.
Simply write a constitutional amendment that the government no longer
recognizes marriage as legally valid, that only civil unions between two
or more people registered with the government posses legal rights that
applied to the word marriage.

Then again I suspect you won't take the libertarian choice. Nobody ever does.
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Wouldn't the proper libertarian option be for the government to stop dealing with the matter altogether? Why would a change of terminology as an attempt to defuse religious bigotry be "libertarian?"
 
Robert Prey said:
... overruled by two deviant black robed oath takers. ...
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I don't like the idea that a judge can overrule a referendum either.

Of course, mention something like that in this thread and you are likely to end up being branded "homophobic" or something.
 
psionl0 said:
I don't like the idea that a judge can overrule a referendum either.

Of course, mention something like that in this thread and you are likely to end up being branded "homophobic" or something.
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I feel the opposite way. Courts sometimes make bad decisions, but I don't think that civil liberties should be up to a popular vote. Democracy isn't sacrosanct.
 
psionl0 said:
I don't like the idea that a judge can overrule a referendum either.

Of course, mention something like that in this thread and you are likely to end up being branded "homophobic" or something.
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I disagree. This is not the first time that CA has had a referendum overruled. In 1994 CA passed proposition 187 that required medical service providers and teachers to verify citizenship or legal residency and report violators to the Feds. In an interestingly similar situation
The law was challenged in a legal suit and found unconstitutional by a federal court. In 1999, Governor Gray Davis halted state appeals against the ruling
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I think the ability to overturn bad law is even more important when dealing with direct democracy to prevent mob rule from taking away the civil rights of minorities.
 
psionl0 said:
I don't like the idea that a judge can overrule a referendum either.

Of course, mention something like that in this thread and you are likely to end up being branded "homophobic" or something.
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So you are okay with the rights of minorities being taken away in a popular vote?
 
Travis said:
So you are okay with the rights of minorities being taken away in a popular vote?
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Just saying that if it were something the public were voting on that was unconstitutional then the question should have been dealt with before polling day.

Allowing the question to go ahead and then overriding the popular vote is at best incompetent.
 
psionl0 said:
Just saying that if it were something the public were voting on that was unconstitutional then the question should have been dealt with before polling day.

Allowing the question to go ahead and then overriding the popular vote is at best incompetent.
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So all referendums need to be cleared by the courts first? That goes against the typical way laws get passed.
 
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