Prophecy Timeline Challenge

Davidjayjordan said:
(((Actually in truth and prophecy the Lord's two prophets do have fire coming out of their mouths to burn up those that would hurt them...


4: and whenever his voice issued from his mouth, all who heard his voice melted as wax melts when it feels the fire. (Yes, for just as in Revelations 11, it says that if any try to hurt them a fire goes literally out of their mouth and destroys their enemies. he neither lifted his hand nor held a spear or any weapon of war;10: but I saw only how he sent forth from his mouth as it were a stream of fire, and from his lips a flaming breath, and from his tongue he shot forth a storm of sparks. (This is literal and not theoretical...but real)

[SIZE=-1]11: All these were mingled together, the stream of fire and the flaming breath and the great storm and fell on the onrushing multitude which was prepared to fight, and burned them all up, so that suddenly nothing was seen of the innumerable multitude but only the dust of ashes and the smell of smoke.[/SIZE]
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Possible war with Iran, notwithstanding - what is fantastic is this belief that an ordinary human being will suddenly be able to blow - out of his mouth, mind you - enough fire with enough heat and in such a direct way as to consume his enemies and leave nothing but ashes, not figuratively, but literally. The mind that can accept this as reality is quite extraordinary. There is a current DQ commercial advertising their Flamethrowers. Is there a connection?



 
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I'd like to buy a date, Bob...

Davidjayjordan said:
But the only ones that truly matter to us are the signing of the Covenant, The sacrificing start and then the nuclear war that decomates the US....
The Iran war will be soon, a no brainer and leads to the Covenant
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I agree. The dates that matter are the beginning of the Iran War, and the US nuclear war. What are those dates, please, per my earlier query?

"The Iran war will be soon, a no brainer" is not a date! Just give me the date, and we'll all know you're right when it happens!
 
Björn Toulouse said:
Possible war with Iran, notwithstanding - what is fantastic is this belief that an ordinary human being will suddenly be able to blow - out of his mouth, mind you - enough fire with enough heat and in such a direct way as to consume his enemies and leave nothing but ashes, not figuratively, but literally. The mind that can accept this as reality is quite extraordinary. There is a current DQ commercial advertising their Flamethrowers. Is there a connection?
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I will remind you Bjorn, that DQ Flamethrower technology is still a matter of national security, and is not to be discussed in a public forum...
 
Björn Toulouse said:
Possible war with Iran, notwithstanding - what is fantastic is this belief that an ordinary human being will suddenly be able to blow - out of his mouth, mind you - enough fire with enough heat and in such a direct way as to consume his enemies and leave nothing but ashes, not figuratively, but literally. The mind that can accept this as reality is quite extraordinary. There is a current DQ commercial advertising their Flamethrowers. Is there a connection?



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No connection to the DQ commercial, but YES Bjorn you have got it right, it is literal, as we do not have to carry weapons. The two prophets that keep returning to Jerusalem and the Temple Mount to vex the world headquarters... just march in unopposed, as those that would stop them are literally burnt up.

And even though I face getting flagged and banned for giving exact answers via my hyperlinks, I refuse to waste time writing hours in reply to a sincere question.

http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjordan/Firebreathingprophets.html

Confirmed by 2 Esdras 12, if my memory is right....as I have lost the hyperlink. Esdras being written by Ezra, a different spelling of his name.

Is it possible, Yes. Its beyond me, but the Lord's Words created... so why can they not create fire and be shot at those that would try and hurt them with gunFIRE.

Our prophets have to make it to the End, or at least three and a half days before the End, and so they have to have access to Jerusalem and so nobody can stop them...as they declare the TRUMPETS and plagues upon the earth... and then return to Petra.

Very logical, reasonable, and very SCRIPTURAL..

As Biblically, it says His words are fire, and they can be in a prophets belly and mouth as stated in prophecy.

I'll get that for you later...

But for now I got to fly...
 
Klaymore said:
I agree. The dates that matter are the beginning of the Iran War, and the US nuclear war. What are those dates, please, per my earlier query?

"The Iran war will be soon, a no brainer" is not a date! Just give me the date, and we'll all know you're right when it happens!
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The first date I know of is in 2009, when the Covenant is signed.

The Iranian conflict preceeds that soon, as to get everybody fighting even more.

I could mention the Illuminati and NWO and all kinds of groups and subgroups, but then you would go on a tangent because you only believe in figure heads and government truths rather than them being manipulated and manipulating.
 
Why we should study Prophecy

[SIZE=-1]We don't have to know every jot and title of the Timeline of the End but we do need to know the basics because if we don't we will be totally unprepared spiritually, and physically for what's ahead. So Prophecy isn't religious double speak if its true, but down to earth, foreseeing of future events that will be happenning and to which we must act or react. We have to make decisions in life, and not just take things as they come or after they come.

We all have to grow up and wake up to what's happenning in our world because when the **** hits the fan, it will be too late to study and figure things out THEN. And those caught in this circumstance of thier own making should have spent their time more wisely previously.

. Right now there is time to learn and understand and get on the right side which is the Lord's side, otherwise most will go along wioth the nationalistic perverted tendencies of their home country or the religion of their parents choosing or the dogma taught them in school etc. etc.

But if you know the Lord's timeline, then you will be prepared and know what's happenning and why, and who's behind it and won't be a 'goyum' a dumb sheep ready for the slaughter. And you won't be in the wrong place at the wrong time and you won't take the MARK of the Beast and lose your soul forever

So even now, everyone that reads this is more responsible than before and has to make decisions mentally on whether this is true or not. And so no matter what we see or hear or read or decide, once softening or hardening our hearts, it makes the next ones easier or harder accordingly. We're either gaining ground or losing it.

Are you catching why a timeline and PROPHECY is necessary ?? For Jesus said ' His words are spirit and they are life, and there is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death. And wide is the gate and broad is the way that leadetgh to destruction and many that go therein, but strait is the gate and narrow is the way that leadeth to life, and FEW there be that find it. So we have to seek and search and study prophecy, to know which way to go in the future, so that we are not lead into destruction, losing our very souls.

We have to. "[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]Study to shew thyself approved unto God, that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly didividing the word of truth" (2 Tim 2: 15) "For the testimony of jesus is the spirit of Prophecy" (Rev 19: 10)[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]

Don't you agree, then we better get busy..

IHS
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Davidjayjordan said:
Very logical, reasonable, and very SCRIPTURAL..

As Biblically, it says His words are fire, and they can be in a prophets belly and mouth as stated in prophecy.
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i don't need a link to answer the question. Scientifically, how would you explain this kind of power that has never been seen before, how these 2 prophets would be able to deliver such a power without being consumed by it themselves, knowing how much heat is required to reduce a human body to ashes - how would you explain it other than to say it is the magic of God?
 
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so were you agnostic, did tons of research and then decided what was the true religion? did you grow up with no specific religion to fall back on to? or were you always christian as were your parents before you?
 
Björn Toulouse said:
i don't need a link to answer the question. Scientifically, how would you explain this kind of power that has never been seen before, how these 2 prophets would be able to deliver such a power without being consumed by it themselves, knowing how much heat is required to reduce a human body to ashes - how would you explain it other than to say it is the magic of God?
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Yes, it is magic of the Lord, but real magic not sleigh of hand magic is just using the real power that is unseen and unknown by most.... and unavailable to most.

SEE We are magicians, just as Moses and Aaron were...

http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjordan/Wearemagicians.html

As before so again, an exact parallelel in the End Time, and yet greater because the times are darker....and it is the consummation of all TIMES.

And us Christians have access to a power that others can not access, an unseen unknown power that protects us.

http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjordan/ChristianMagick.html

So yes Bjorn, the science of this word to fire, and fire to ashes protection is a mystery and will remain one until it is seen and felt in the real world.
 
mylfmyhnr said:
so were you agnostic, did tons of research and then decided what was the true religion? did you grow up with no specific religion to fall back on to? or were you always christian as were your parents before you?
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Fair question, for if I would have been brought up in a church envirorment I might not have made it out, as churches are dangerous ((SEE thread))
and their indoctrination, mind set is very diffciult to get out of heart and mind.

But my parents weren't church goers, but rather materialistic as their religion was basically materialism even though they came from a Jewish background.

Me, I just spent so much time out hiking, fishing and exploring creation, that I got a great love for it, and then the Creator.

SEE http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjordan/FollowMeTestimony.html


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My parents basically rejected me and wife and kids since I became a Christian missionary, and so family pressure didn;t make me a missionary but has always tried to get me away from it.

But onward Christian soldiers as we each must decide what is truth and what is worth standing up for.
 
Jer 23:29 [Is] not my word like as a FIRE? saith the LORD; and like a hammer [that] breaketh the rock in pieces?


Jer 20:9 Then I said, I will not make mention of him, nor speak any more in his name. But [his word] was in mine heart as a burning FIRE shut up in my bones, and I was weary with forbearing, and I could not [stay].

And Bjorn.... here's 2 esdras 13, not 12,

3And I beheld, and, lo, that man waxed strong with the thousands of heaven: and when he turned his countenance to look, all the things trembled that were seen under him.
4And whensoever the voice went out of his mouth, all they burned that heard his voice, like as the earth faileth when it feeleth the fire.
5And after this I beheld, and, lo, there was gathered together a multitude of men, out of number, from the four winds of the heaven, to subdue the man that came out of the sea

Because a true interpretation is almost always repeated over and over and over again, so as to confirm an interpretation......

Its the preponderance of evidence that is important.... and the confirmations in real life that are important.
 
Klaymore said:
Thank you, DJJ, for a straightforward and no bs answer to my question. If 2009 is the earliest date you can give me, I'm happy to wait until then and see.
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Fine Klay, but do remember that it is the string of events that should make one wonder and get more inclined to find the right side than the CONNED side.

So the next one to look for is the sacrificing before the temple. This having to be done AFTER the jews surely will say they have found the ARK of the Covenant... as their temple won't be complete until they have a fake ARK inside. So that be another con to watch for.

But eventually, prophecy is foresight not mere hindsight, for if we wait too long before making the move BEFORE the final events happen then we will have lost the chance to do so....

But until then, basically we all have time to choose, even though no man is guaranteed tommorrow.
 
Geee, DJJ you never quote the bible where it says that you can sell you daughter into servitude.

Paul

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Davidjayjordan said:
Fine Klay, but do remember that it is the string of events that should make one wonder and get more inclined to find the right side than the CONNED side.

So the next one to look for is the sacrificing before the temple. This having to be done AFTER the jews surely will say they have found the ARK of the Covenant... as their temple won't be complete until they have a fake ARK inside. So that be another con to watch for.

But eventually, prophecy is foresight not mere hindsight, for if we wait too long before making the move BEFORE the final events happen then we will have lost the chance to do so....

But until then, basically we all have time to choose, even though no man is guaranteed tommorrow.
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I like how you work in that we have to accept your status as a prophet before any of your prophecies are verified.
 
Davidjayjordan said:
But until then, basically we all have time to choose...
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Choose what?

To believe in a being who tortured and killed babies, infants and children in the flood?
To believe in a being who stood by while Moses ordered the murder of young boys?
To believe in a being who condoned slavery?
To believe in a being that delighted in the murder of children?

These things are all evil. If the bible is true then these are all facts. I'm having difficulty overcoming these facts. Any ideas?
 
Davidjayjordan said:
Fair question, for if I would have been brought up in a church envirorment I might not have made it out, as churches are dangerous ((SEE thread))
and their indoctrination, mind set is very diffciult to get out of heart and mind.
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i did, and i'm betting that most here did as well.
ETA: i actually did it twice, first from the mormons, then from christianity.
Davidjayjordan said:
My parents basically rejected me and wife and kids since I became a Christian missionary, and so family pressure didn;t make me a missionary but has always tried to get me away from it.

But onward Christian soldiers as we each must decide what is truth and what is worth standing up for.
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thanks for answering the question. though i completely disagree with your conclusions i can at least respect that you came to your conclusions based on your own reasearch.
 
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that being said, however, it shouldn't take a leap of logic to remember that you created your beliefs from what you saw to be true... as did the rest of us here. perhaps leaving off of the "you must accept what i see to be true" bent would gain you more interest in your opinion. right now you are your parents: i believe a so you must believe a and to believe something other than a is to be wrong.
 
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