Prophecy Timeline Challenge

No the Lord fed us.... but the systemites are fed by the system even though they don't know the system is allowed only by the Grace and MERCY of the Lord, and shall be taken away... and then there shall be weeping and howling.... and gnashing of teeth.

But all is fair and just with the Lord, for they will be worthy and will have had their chance.

Amen ?



Psa 49:11 Their inward thought [is, that] their houses [shall continue] for ever, [and] their dwelling places to all generations; they call [their] lands after their own names.


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Noted with interest (and laughter) that DJJ has selectively ignored every post that points out his prophecy fraud.

You're fast becoming a parody of yourself, DJJ. :)
 
Davidjayjordan said:
Shame on you Bjorn...You have definitely reached the lowest depth possible in your descent to no class.
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Coming from Mr. Jordan, that is a compliment.


Davidjayjordan said:
I and Family were full time missionaries living on the field from those that were living off the grace of the Lord and His mercies. This is exactly your predicament. Some of them helped us because we helped them, and then the LORD helped them in return.
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Then Mr. Jordan has discovered an amazing way of economic survival. Somebody somewhere was getting paid for something. They couldn't all have been living by this grace of the Lord stuff.



Davidjayjordan said:
So NO. We were never beggars, we were full time missionaries.
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Fulltime missionary sponsorship is generally done through an organized religion or, if you will, "church", which, having read Mr. Jordan's opinion of such, one would doubt that any of those would be willing to underwrite such a 7 member family. Given his fantastic claims and failed prophecies that have been documented in several places on the JREF forums, i would doubt his account that someone put him and his whole family up, fulltime, for the 15, 20, or 30 years of his missionary work.

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Davidjayjordan said:
But Yes, we tried and proved the Lord is REAL< by living by FAITH, and you can not deny it worked.
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Apparently at some point the Lord saw fit to withdraw his financial support of Mr. Jordan for by his claim in one of the early posts, someone who objected to his line of reasoning on the internet took action to have him fired from his place of employment, so it seems he does now deal in goods and services like most of the rest of us.



Davidjayjordan said:
This must grit your teeth every time you hear it, because it is proof that Jesus is real.
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i don't grit my teeth while laughing.



Björn Toulouse said:
You know it is much easier to tell the truth than to tell a lie because the truth is easier to remember. This is the 3rd figure you've posted, not just on JREF, about your living with no support except the Lord or "living by faith". The claim of having lived by this faith, whether it's the 15, 20, or 30 years you've claimed only proves Christianity in your own head. What bank does god draw his checks on? You didn't just walk into McDonalds, say a few words from your website, and then be handed a Big Mac and fries? Don't ask anyone to believe that some god dropped manna or money on your head in the night. The cult you were in is easily researched on the internet. That group not only had an Amway type pyramid structure in the beginning, it also sold crap religious literature which were of the drunken ravings of a sexual predator, preyed on the religious superstitions of business persons, begging them for donations of support to "help get kids off of drugs", prostituted female members, and dressed as clowns and blew up and sold balloons in front of the local Wal-Mart. There's your "no support except the lord."
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Still betting this is how Mr. Jordan pulled it off. Amounts to begging which is getting something for nothing (except maybe that hooker part).
 
Gord_in_Toronto said:
I've noted from my reading of history that a good way to save your soles is to invent a religion, become chief priest, and get carried around by your faithful followers. :eek:
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Yes, those preiest types are the A-holes that I'm talking about.
 
Davidjayjordan said:
No the Lord fed us....
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Odd. It sound like people fed you.

But all is fair and just with the Lord, for they will be worthy and will have had their chance.

Amen ?
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Joshua 8:24 Then, after the destruction of all the people of Ai in the field and in the waste land where they went after them, and when all the people had been put to death without mercy, all Israel went back to Ai, and put to death all who were in it without mercy.
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How many children do you suppose they slaughtered? Amen indeed.

And I'd still like to know why you changed the dates of your prophecy.
 
Björn Toulouse said:
That guy named Michael beat you to the name thing.
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How public like a frog to tell your name to an admiring bog.

For life is more than competition and survival and pride, it involves working together with others for the common good, for then with the Lord's love, life becomes heaven rather than hell.

Being the best, and the greatest was never my aim or goal like those that pursue its fleeting glory.
 
it is better that one man should die than a nation perish in unbelief?
 
Davidjayjordan said:
My CALLING was literally after saving a dead man in the surf, and so became a fisher of men who are not yet drown in the waters of atheism and lies.

SEE http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjordan/FollowMeTestimony.html
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So now you are sure that your god works and speaks through you? Right. Sure. And why should any of us accept what you say as truth? Just because you say so? Just because you have put up a website? Nope sorry, skeptics require proof and that does NOT mean endless quotes from the bible. That musty old book written by men ages ago does not have all the answers.
 
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So now you are sure that your god works and speaks through you? Right. Sure. And why should any of us accept what you say as truth? Just because you say so? Just because you have put up a website? Nope sorry, skeptics require proof and that does NOT mean endless quotes from the bible. That musty old book written by men ages ago does not have all the answers.
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Somehow I think Jesus would do much better web design. I mean, Geocities? Not very godlike.
 
Davidjayjordan said:
My CALLING was literally after saving a dead man in the surf, and so became a fisher of men who are not yet drown in the waters of atheism and lies.
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With all sincerity I can tell you that such stories are a dime a dozen. I honestly don't mean to belittle your life. It is important to you and I respect that but the problem is that one can find many, many similar stories in ALL religions.

When [Cat] Stevens nearly drowned in an accident in Malibu in 1975, he reports having pleaded with God to save him. Stevens described the event in a VH1 interview some years later: "I suddenly held myself and I said, 'Oh God! If you save me, I'll work for you.'" The near-death experience intensified his long-held quest for spiritual truth. He had looked into Buddhism "Zen and I Ching, numerology, tarot cards and astrology", but when his brother David gave him a copy of the Qur'an, Stevens began to find peace with himself and began his transition to Islam.

He formally converted to the Islamic faith in 1977 and took the name Yusuf Islam in 1978...
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BTW, 1979 was the same year I got my calling to go on a full time mission.

So why is your story so special? Why should anyone believe you and not follow Yusuf's example and become Muslim? Why not follow my example? I preached door to door. I baptized people. I have something to say about all of this based on my life's experience. Faithfully adhering to the tenants of a theology does not prove the truthfulness of that theology. It simply proves that religious devotion is a self fulfiling proof of whatever you are devoted to.
  • Why does following the rules of Scientology and living Scientology convince Scientologists that it is real?
  • Why does following the rules of Islam and living Islam convince Muslims that it is real?
  • Why does following the rules of Jehovah's Witnesses and living the life of a Jehovah's Witness convince them that there beliefs are real?
  • Why does adhering to the tenants of Mormonism convince Mormons that their beliefs are real?
The truth is that all religions have faithful followers who are willing to die for their beliefs simply because they have followed the rules and lived their religion and thereby have become fervent believers. To die for one's belief is pretty powerful testimony of that belief. Yet not all beliefs can be right.

There is a problem with your logic.
 
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Ah the victory would be all the sweeter for Dave: A tiny handmade website against the well funded jref. I can hear the angels rejoicing from here.

David and Goliath, Moses vs the Egyptians, Jesus vs the Sanhedrin... Dave vs the evil atheists! It's all variations of the same theme. it amazes me a little how the same story can be presented over and over as if it were the first time.

One of my first experiences on an internet forum was back in the '90's with some Muslim students somewhere in the US. Terrorists had just blown up a bus somewhere in Israel, many dead including some kids. They were having something like an online party over it. It was so weird. Israel was the great evil to their tiny good. No matter the innocent dead. Nothing could break their mindset, no reason, no words. Their faith had transcended the traditional meaning of faith and become a kind of knowledge to them. They were right and that was that. Dave's faith is like that.

I sometimes wonder if atheism is ultimately doomed at the hands of the power that faith can bring. There's more of these people where Dave comes from, is sanity always to be the victim of faith? ...faith that feeds and grows upon the certainty that God Almighty personally delivered a message.
 
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Davidjayjordan said:
My CALLING was literally after saving a dead man in the surf, and so became a fisher of men who are not yet drown in the waters of atheism and lies.

SEE http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjordan/FollowMeTestimony.html
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Now back to prophecy as the wayward among us have resorted towards their calling.
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name calling and waywardness can go both ways, no?

oh, btw, i watched that special on petra tonight... i didn't get why it will be THE spot. course, they weren't discussing that, but why there? it doesn't seem to have been connected to the abrahamic god, nor to the god of jesus.
 
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