Prophecy Timeline Challenge

Do remember that the dates are determined by the FIRST event... the signing of the Covenant, by ten nations.

That's the basic, that's the START, stated by Daniel and confirmed by Jesus and John the Revelator..

So look for the War between Israel/America on Iran, that leads to almost WW# and then is dismantled by a Peace Conference, that gets ten nations to have a military, economic religious convenant of suuposed PEACE.
 
Wrong, evolution demands that its congregation believe nothing happenned after its Big Bang, so they have to try and negate the worldwide flood that has immense foosil evidence.
There is no modern geological evidence of a world wide flood as described in the Bible and other, older, sources. There is plenty of modern geological evidence of catastrophic flood events. In fact, there is plenty of historical evidence of major floods. None of the geological evidence indicates a world wide flood, covering all land, certainly not within the last ten thousand years.

Amazingly, Charles Darwin who invented the 'Theory of Evolution' had to admit that what he saw in his travels and studies indicated a catastrophic event that changed the face of the Earth. And even though his geological bible was Lyell's insane Theory of Uniformity or 'no cataclysmic changes ever happened. He did state the following in admitting that a worldwide flood and a dividing of the earth could have caused all the resulting fossils find that have been discovered worldwide.
Again, you make assumptions about what you do not fully understand. Your characterization of Charles Lyell's uniformitarianism is completely off. It does not state that "no cataclysmic changes ever happened". It simply states that the forces driving geological change today are the same forces that have always been acting on the Earth.
From Wikipedia:

Uniformitarianism is one of the most basic principles of modern geology, the observation that fundamentally the same geological processes that operate today also operated in the distant past. It exists in contrast with catastrophism, which states that Earth surface features originated suddenly in the past, by geological processes radically different to those currently occurring. Note, however, that many "catastrophic" events are perfectly compatible with uniformitarianism. For example, Charles Lyell thought that ordinary geological processes would cause Niagara Falls to move upstream to Lake Erie within 10000 years, leading to catastrophic flooding of a large part of North America.

But let's check it out from Darwin's own words with mine in parenthesis______ (..).
Let's just examine Darwin's own words as your comments tend to be based on gross misunderstandings of the subject at hand.

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It is impossible to reflect upon the changed state of the American continent without the deepest astonishment. Formerly it must have swarmed with great monsters, now we find mere pygmies, compared with the antecedent, allied races. The greater number, if not all of these extinct quadrupeds lived at a late period and were the contemporaries of most of the sea shells. Since they lived, no very great change in the form of the land can have taken place. What then exterminated so many species and genera. The mind is first irresistibly hurried into the belief of some great catastrophe: But thus to destroy animals both small and large, in southern Patagonia, in Brazil, on the Cordillera of Peru, in North America up to the Bering Straits, we must shake the entire framework of the globe. No lesser event could have brought about this wholesale destruction, not only in the America's but in the entire world. It could have hardly been a change of temperature, which at about the same time destroyed the inhabitants of tropical temperate and artic latitudes on both sides of the globe. No one will imagine that a drought …could destroy every individual of every species from Southern Patagonia to the Bering Straits. What shall we say of the extinction of the horse ? Did those plains fail of pasture ? Certainly, no fact in the long history of the world is so startling as the wide and repeated extermination of its inhabitants.
This material is taken from The Voyage Of The Beagle first published in 1839 (as Journal and Remarks) What this shows is a still young Darwin who is only just beginning to assemble his observations into his Theory Of Evolution By Natural Selection. It should be no surprise that he would speculate about the nature of catastrophic geological events. At this time science had little to no idea of the age of the Earth, plate tectonics, asteroid and comet impact, etc. Darwin is not expressing incredulity concerning catastrophic changes in Earth's past. He is asking questions about what caused them. He is certainly not citing Lyell as claiming that no changes ever occurred because Lyell never said any such thing. Since the mid 19th century geologists have come to understand these catastrophic (as well as slow, gradual) changes in great detail. Darwin would no doubt have been fascinated and amazed by any modern 101 level geology textbook. Geology has not refuted Darwin, it has vindicated him.
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So let's stop this insanity that no cataclysmic events have ever occurred here on Earth, and pretend that 'all things continue' as they always have from the beginning of some nice sweet Big Bang explosion that just happened by accident to create everything in perfect harmony. The Uniformity theory is just as 'bogus' and unscientific as the theory of evolution which is built upon it's back, and Darwin admitted cataclysmic change, and true scientists know it happened, and yet the devoid evolutionists try to evade this fact and forget it, and become willingly ignorant of True Science and the fossil record and our TRUE HISTORY.
Yes, let's do stop the inanity. Your grasp of uniformitarianism is every bit as wrong as your grasp of the "randomness" of natural selection, the distance to the moon, the nature of barycenter and Lagrange, Doppler cosmology and the expanding universe, the Van Allen radiation belt and, well, pretty much everything you've ever typed here regarding science.
 
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OK, for those keeping score here, we are now supposed to forget everything in the bible written by Paul, and everything in the bible written by Matthew. I predict the "J" author to be next.

Paul, was a missionary and not much of a prophet, Mathew just wrote what Jesus prophesied as well as LUKE.

Mathew 24 saying, more basics for anyone to understand true prophecy.



Mat 24:15¶When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

In other words jesus verifies that Daniel was His Prophet, and you then have to understand the abomination of desolations that is involved with the world wide economic system called the MARK.

For then all must take the mARK, all true skeptics and false skeptics BOTH or they must die.. or they must join the 144,000 in the wilderness.

http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjordan/AbominationofDesolation.html
 
Do remember that the dates are determined by the FIRST event... the signing of the Covenant, by ten nations.

That's the basic, that's the START, stated by Daniel and confirmed by Jesus and John the Revelator.
You are evading the question, Davidjayjordan.

In 2002 your prophecy was for 2002 through 2009. In 2007, your prophecy for exactly the same sequence of events is for 2009 through 2016.

Why did you change your exact-to-the-day prophecy?
 
Matthew 24

36"No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son,[a] but only the Father. 37As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 38For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; 39and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 40Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left. 41Two women will be grinding with a hand mill; one will be taken and the other left.
42"Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come. 43But understand this: If the owner of the house had known at what time of night the thief was coming, he would have kept watch and would not have let his house be broken into. 44So you also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him.

If I may put my devil's advocate cap on for a moment...
Devil's Advocate: "
The meaning of Matthew 24 seems more like God warned everyone to be always ready for his coming and to keep watch. The metaphor draws a parallel between the listeners and Noah and his family. Jesus is saying that the world will be destroyed again, but the gospel is being compared to Noah's Ark. The meaning is that like at the time of the flood, the 'second coming' would come like a thief in the night: Unexpected. Without warning. That is all. Glub glub.

So if anyone was going to get a warning, well he just got it. Or what is with the admonition to keep watch?

Why not just say - Ok, all aboard the new ark, I'm coming real soon to destroy the world. But just before the destruction of the world, I'm gonna give another warning so that any of you who were off partying could get back in time to sail.

But that's not what it said and so your opinion probably needs reexamination.
"

And I recognize that in a broader sense the Book of Revelation could not even come literally true if revelation was all done with. It's like believing 'prophecy is ended, except when God reveals himself to true prophets'.
 
Do remember that the dates are determined by the FIRST event... the signing of the Covenant, by ten nations.

That's the basic, that's the START, stated by Daniel and confirmed by Jesus and John the Revelator..

So look for the War between Israel/America on Iran, that leads to almost WW# and then is dismantled by a Peace Conference, that gets ten nations to have a military, economic religious convenant of suuposed PEACE.





GONG!

You just couldn't resist it, could you? After dancing around jsfisher's persistent question with answering by saying the last 7 years begins with the kickoff of the "peace covenant", you went ahead, instead of sticking to mere bible prophecy, you had to go and list another prophecy of your own.

All of those things in your Daniel prophecy timeline have been out there for years, even John Hagee uses one, but you had to go and insert your own personal prophecy that ties this "covenant" to a war between the USA and Iran. Where was that war mentioned in the bible? Or is this another personal revelation, a "secret" that only god's prophets are privy to?

If it's anything like the previous secrets you've put out there, i'd say god is having a good time pulling your chain.


Deu. 18:22 When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that [is] the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, [but] the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.
 
So DJJ, you never did answer what professional basketball team in Europe you played for.

Temporary Illusion, I know like the scribes and pharisees you ask a question in an attempt not for truth but to try and make an accussation.

I was heading for Milano, Italy as I played on the National Team and we had played there before going on to the World Championships.

But I never got past England on arrival before meeting up with missionaries, and joining them for a short time before going on to be an independant missionary a little later.

I had chances to sign for professional baseball, but thought I'd do better in basketball than baseball.

But temprary delusion, this thread is about the future not the past, even though now in the future I surely could take you on 1 on 1 basketball wise, even at my age.

And if you don't believe me, tough tough tough....
 
If I may put my devil's advocate cap on for a moment...
Devil's Advocate: "
The meaning of Matthew 24 seems more like God warned everyone to be always ready for his coming and to keep watch. The metaphor draws a parallel between the listeners and Noah and his family. Jesus is saying that the world will be destroyed again, but the gospel is being compared to Noah's Ark. The meaning is that like at the time of the flood, the 'second coming' would come like a thief in the night: Unexpected. Without warning. That is all. Glub glub.

So if anyone was going to get a warning, well he just got it. Or what is with the admonition to keep watch?

Why not just say - Ok, all aboard the new ark, I'm coming real soon to destroy the world. But just before the destruction of the world, I'm gonna give another warning so that any of you who were off partying could get back in time to sail.

But that's not what it said and so your opinion probably needs reexamination.
"

And I recognize that in a broader sense the Book of Revelation could not even come literally true if revelation was all done with. It's like believing 'prophecy is ended, except when God reveals himself to true prophets'.

Good point Kopji as you are thinking.

Yes The time of Noah parallels perfectly the End Time. But yet the Lord said He would not again send water but a FLOOD of lies.

And so mentions right in Mathew 24, His confirmation that there was a Noah and a wordwide FLOOD, and says His Coming will be just like the last one with Noah.

37But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

38For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, 39And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

So we are to watch for the SIGNS, mainly the Covenant signing... and then the rebuilding of the 3rd Temple, as confirmations of the LAST SEVEN YEARS. The time period starts when the Covenant is signed, so there is no discrepancy. All will know, even though not all will know its a SIGN.

3For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

4But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.
5Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness. 6Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.
 
There is no modern geological evidence of a world wide flood as described in the Bible and other, older, sources. There is plenty of modern geological evidence of catastrophic flood events. In fact, there is plenty of historical evidence of major floods. None of the geological evidence indicates a world wide flood, covering all land, certainly not within the last ten thousand years.

Again, you make assumptions about what you do not fully understand. Your characterization of Charles Lyell's uniformitarianism is completely off. It does not state that "no cataclysmic changes ever happened". It simply states that the forces driving geological change today are the same forces that have always been acting on the Earth.

Yes, let's do stop the inanity. Your grasp of uniformitarianism is every bit as wrong as your grasp of the "randomness" of natural selection, the distance to the moon, the nature of barycenter and Lagrange, Doppler cosmology and the expanding universe, the Van Allen radiation belt and, well, pretty much everything you've ever typed here regarding science.

The assumptions are from the evolutions that demand that all things continue as they are now, and so they try to extrapolate backwards to get their trillions and zillions of years of evolutionary luck and chance progress. But NO, the geological rercord shows a worldwide flood, as even Jesus concurred that there was a Noah and there was a FLOOD.

http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjordan/NoahsArkandtheWorldwideFlood.html

Noah's Ark and the Worldwide Flood


[SIZE=-1]If we are going to talk about the true history of the world, we have to understand the worldwide flood that occurred over 4,000 years ago. (SEE [/SIZE][SIZE=-1]Forefathers Timeline[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]) It's a geological fact that can be proven thru the geological record and is scientific rather than merely religious. The fossil record confirms the Flood and all evidence suggests that it did in fact take place not just locally in the Mid-East but throughout the whole world. Yet it wasn't merely the moisture of the air falling as rain but the fall of a water layer above the earth, and the release of waters from below that caused it. This, of course, produced tremendous geological changes, continental movement, including a polar shifting and a change in the whole weather patterns of the Earth.

And it is because of this, that over 200 different cultures have recorded the Flood in their histories, to document in similar but different ways this worldwide geological event. Why, because the deluge effected all cultures, as all following cultures stemmed sociologically from the Mid-East. For from the Gilgamish Epic of babylonians, to the Creation tablets of Nineveh, to the Rosetta Stone of Egypt, to the stories told among the Eskimos and Indians of North America, all these cultures knew and passed on their history from the Great Flood. And it is mentioned in most of them that Noah and his Family were the only human survivors.

And so again it has to be mentioned that Noah's Ark was not a myth but a historical fact and a historical huge boat that was designed to survive the Flood. (See Genesis 6 ). And from sightings of it still upon Mount Ararat by over 22 people explorers, locals, and researchers, from Marco Polo to Navara, the evidence still remains. But don't take my word for it, as you can decide for yourself when considering the undeniable evidence of its existence on Mount Ararat, in eastern Turkey. A good research book for this would be 'In Search of Noah's Ark' by David Balsiger. Do study and consider it, for it explains in detail what I need not repeat. And when you catch the significance of this and what it really means, and who is really in control of the whole world, then your searching will not be wasted in finding out this truth.

Or you can simply read the brief description of this historical event in the Bible, as Moses recorded these events after first hand conversations with the Lord himself. For archelogically all the other places and events have been confirmed and substantiated, so why not the Flood and the Ark as well. And it has been by the science of geology. For the great sedementation you see today is from receeding of the Flood waters. And the fossilization that has remained occurred because the quick onslaught of the flood caught these animals and plants in conditions that could bring about fossilization and a record of the greatest geological devastation to ever hit the Earth.It makes sense scientifically and matches up with the true science we know now, except that much of today's false science rejects this historical fact and facts because they reject the reasons that brought on the Flood…. which was the rebellion of man against the
[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Creator[/SIZE][SIZE=-1].

It was seeming paradise before the Flood, as the whole world was enveloped in a water shield above that produced a true greenhouse effect below producing not only the
[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Garden of Eden[/SIZE][SIZE=-1] but a lush grassslands and tropical gardens from pole to pole. Temperatures were moderate only varying about two or three degrees and the Earth was not watered by rain previous to the Flood but only by a gentle mist. Conditions were perfect right from the start of the Lord's Creative Process. NO creatures evolved and no laws evolved into being, but all cycles and all animals and plants and all conditions for growth and multiplication were in place right from the beginning or 'Genesis'. (SEE [/SIZE][SIZE=-1]Creation versus Evolution Board[/SIZE][SIZE=-1])

Yes, Adam and Eve were literal human beings and Noah was only the seventh generation after them. So when we acknowledge and understand our true roots from true science and archeology and gain an appreciation of our heritage, the more we can understand the world as it is today. For when we then then all other events including the future and
[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Prophecy[/SIZE][SIZE=-1] will make more sense to us.

In my opinion from true history, archeology, sociology, scriptures and science

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[SIZE=-1]David[/SIZE]
 
Now back to prophecy rather than the past....

The next event, a mid east war in Iran, and you don't have to be a prophet to see that one coming as it has been determined.

Then problems with Israel and the palestinians, problems with world economy because the Straits get closed, problems problems problems and escalations as the Iranians won't go peacefully into the night, niether will the nuclear fall out heading towards India..

So THEN look for international peace conferences to try and settle things down, and so called diplomacy to get all on the same NWO page and onto the Lord's prophecy which has been set in stone.
 
The assumptions are from the evolutions that demand that all things continue as they are now,...
Evolution is defined as a process of change. You've presented a completely erroneous interpretation of Lyell's uniformitarianism. Did you not read the Wikipedia quote? The claim that evolutionary theory demands that nothing has changed is oxymoronic.

...and so they try to extrapolate backwards to get their trillions and zillions of years of evolutionary luck and chance progress.
The age of the Earth and the cosmos is based on hard evidence. You might want to look into radiometry to learn how minerals are dated. And there are no trillions or zillions of years involved, at least not in this universe.

But NO, the geological rercord shows a worldwide flood,...
Could you present this evidence?

...as even Jesus concurred that there was a Noah and there was a FLOOD.
Wow! A Jew from two thousand years ago made reference to a legend that most all Jews of the time tended to believe. Amazing!

It's a geological fact that can be proven thru the geological record and is scientific rather than merely religious. The fossil record confirms the Flood and all evidence suggests that it did in fact take place not just locally in the Mid-East but throughout the whole world. Yet it wasn't merely the moisture of the air falling as rain but the fall of a water layer above the earth, and the release of waters from below that caused it. This, of course, produced tremendous geological changes, continental movement, including a polar shifting and a change in the whole weather patterns of the Earth.
Again, please present this evidence, in another thread if you wish.
 
I'd never make the argument that religion is the cause of violence in the world, there will probably be violence and war for some reason or another.

What prophecy driven religiosity adds to the mix is an inability of problems to be solved. Instead of looking for some way of peaceful living together, masses of people eagerly await a cataclysm so that they can have it all.

No compromise is needed or wanted because the Great Hero will come to make the evil enemies suffer and surrender. Or surrender, and then suffer, and suffer some more. Because he is a vengeful God. A good vengeful God.
 
The assumptions are from the evolutions that demand that all things continue as they are now, and so they try to extrapolate backwards to get their trillions and zillions of years of evolutionary luck and chance progress. But NO, the geological rercord shows a worldwide flood, as even Jesus concurred that there was a Noah and there was a FLOOD.

http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjordan/NoahsArkandtheWorldwideFlood.html

Noah's Ark and the Worldwide Flood


[SIZE=-1]If we are going to talk about the true history of the world, we have to understand the worldwide flood that occurred over 4,000 years ago. (SEE [/SIZE][SIZE=-1]Forefathers Timeline[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]) It's a geological fact that can be proven thru the geological record and is scientific rather than merely religious. The fossil record confirms the Flood and all evidence suggests that it did in fact take place not just locally in the Mid-East but throughout the whole world. Yet it wasn't merely the moisture of the air falling as rain but the fall of a water layer above the earth, and the release of waters from below that caused it. This, of course, produced tremendous geological changes, continental movement, including a polar shifting and a change in the whole weather patterns of the Earth.

And it is because of this, that over 200 different cultures have recorded the Flood in their histories, to document in similar but different ways this worldwide geological event. Why, because the deluge effected all cultures, as all following cultures stemmed sociologically from the Mid-East. For from the Gilgamish Epic of babylonians, to the Creation tablets of Nineveh, to the Rosetta Stone of Egypt, to the stories told among the Eskimos and Indians of North America, all these cultures knew and passed on their history from the Great Flood. And it is mentioned in most of them that Noah and his Family were the only human survivors.

And so again it has to be mentioned that Noah's Ark was not a myth but a historical fact and a historical huge boat that was designed to survive the Flood. (See Genesis 6 ). And from sightings of it still upon Mount Ararat by over 22 people explorers, locals, and researchers, from Marco Polo to Navara, the evidence still remains. But don't take my word for it, as you can decide for yourself when considering the undeniable evidence of its existence on Mount Ararat, in eastern Turkey. A good research book for this would be 'In Search of Noah's Ark' by David Balsiger. Do study and consider it, for it explains in detail what I need not repeat. And when you catch the significance of this and what it really means, and who is really in control of the whole world, then your searching will not be wasted in finding out this truth.

Or you can simply read the brief description of this historical event in the Bible, as Moses recorded these events after first hand conversations with the Lord himself. For archelogically all the other places and events have been confirmed and substantiated, so why not the Flood and the Ark as well. And it has been by the science of geology. For the great sedementation you see today is from receeding of the Flood waters. And the fossilization that has remained occurred because the quick onslaught of the flood caught these animals and plants in conditions that could bring about fossilization and a record of the greatest geological devastation to ever hit the Earth.It makes sense scientifically and matches up with the true science we know now, except that much of today's false science rejects this historical fact and facts because they reject the reasons that brought on the Flood…. which was the rebellion of man against the
[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Creator[/SIZE][SIZE=-1].

It was seeming paradise before the Flood, as the whole world was enveloped in a water shield above that produced a true greenhouse effect below producing not only the
[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Garden of Eden[/SIZE][SIZE=-1] but a lush grassslands and tropical gardens from pole to pole. Temperatures were moderate only varying about two or three degrees and the Earth was not watered by rain previous to the Flood but only by a gentle mist. Conditions were perfect right from the start of the Lord's Creative Process. NO creatures evolved and no laws evolved into being, but all cycles and all animals and plants and all conditions for growth and multiplication were in place right from the beginning or 'Genesis'. (SEE [/SIZE][SIZE=-1]Creation versus Evolution Board[/SIZE][SIZE=-1])

Yes, Adam and Eve were literal human beings and Noah was only the seventh generation after them. So when we acknowledge and understand our true roots from true science and archeology and gain an appreciation of our heritage, the more we can understand the world as it is today. For when we then then all other events including the future and
[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Prophecy[/SIZE][SIZE=-1] will make more sense to us.

In my opinion from true history, archeology, sociology, scriptures and science

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[SIZE=-1]David[/SIZE]


Wrong.
 
Actually guys, because you can't connect up any truths, I don;t think you could honestly have a website because you would only have a HOME PAGE with your vivatar and maybe your belief system that you believe in nothing and have nothing and so can connect to nothing more.

But then again at least you would be honest and your ONE PAGE website would be finnished and completed in ONE HOUR.

PS) Note to self... these guys are really sensitive about their not having a website and wasting so much time talking about nothingness. But how will I or others ever get them focused to become true skeptics and gain ground and make progress. Hmmmmm ?

I doubt if these vocal ones will ever make it, because they continue to harder their hearts, but then again other readers may get the message and become real searchers and real thinkers and real helpers of others... regardless of whether they make a website or not. They can have living proof of their hearts desire to help others in real actions.
 
Actually guys, because you can't connect up any truths, I don;t think you could honestly have a website because you would only have a HOME PAGE with your vivatar and maybe your belief system that you believe in nothing and have nothing and so can connect to nothing more.

But then again at least you would be honest and your ONE PAGE website would be finnished and completed in ONE HOUR.

PS) Note to self... these guys are really sensitive about their not having a website and wasting so much time talking about nothingness. But how will I or others ever get them focused to become true skeptics and gain ground and make progress. Hmmmmm ?

I doubt if these vocal ones will ever make it, because they continue to harder their hearts, but then again other readers may get the message and become real searchers and real thinkers and real helpers of others... regardless of whether they make a website or not. They can have living proof of their hearts desire to help others in real actions.

One thing is certain: You've proved that one can have pages and pages of material and still have nothing.

I know you like to tell yourself that atheists believe in nothing. It's a straw man that comforts you. But those words are very unlikely to actually sting many atheists. This is because they know that it is not true, you simply wish it to be true. Atheists don't believe in fairy tales. We do however believe in the real universe. I believe in my wife and son, my family and friends. I believe in making the world just a little bit better through my brief presence even if that just means instilling love and compassion in my son and making the people I know feel that their lives were better for having known me. I believe that the human species has a shot at long term evolution if we can mature socially. You claim all of this is "nothing". Yet if I were to believe in an undetectable, perfect, all powerful, all knowing being who none the less makes things that don't do what he intends thus becoming enraged, and intervenes in our lives in a manner indistinguishable from random chance that, to you, would be "something".
 

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