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"proof that god exists"

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http://www.doesgodexist.org/AboutClayton/PastLife.html

I quote:

"I read the Bible through from cover to cover four times during my sophomore year in college for the explicit purpose of finding scientific contradictions in it, By that, I mean statements in the Bible that were false that I could throw back at her to show her how ridiculous it was to believe in God. I had even decided to write a book called All the Stupidity of the Bible. Something amazing happened as I did this. As I considered and thought about these things, I found that I could not find a contradiction. I tried that whole year and years after to find a contradiction--to find some kind of scientific inaccuracy in the Bible. I just simply was not able to do it. I gave up writing the book because of a lack of material! It is amazing to me that as I talk to people, I find many who claim to be Christians and who perhaps claim to have been Christians for many years who have not read the Bible through cover to cover once. I find it hard to believe that they believe in God very much if they do not even want to know what He has to say. "

There are a number of other writings on the site as well. All of them present themselves in a very scientific manner, and occasionally the science he uses is pretty accurate to modern science. I'm just curious what some of the more intelligent skeptics think of people like this man. For there are many like this, who have found shelter in science for their religion, claiming such proof and whatnot in pure interpretation. He even quotes Sagan to make a point in another essay on site.
 
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mercuryturrent said:
http://www.doesgodexist.org/AboutClayton/PastLife.html

I quote:

"I read the Bible through from cover to cover four times during my sophomore year in college for the explicit purpose of finding scientific contradictions in it, By that, I mean statements in the Bible that were false that I could throw back at her to show her how ridiculous it was to believe in God. I had even decided to write a book called All the Stupidity of the Bible. Something amazing happened as I did this. As I considered and thought about these things, I found that I could not find a contradiction. I tried that whole year and years after to find a contradiction--to find some kind of scientific inaccuracy in the Bible. I just simply was not able to do it. I gave up writing the book because of a lack of material! It is amazing to me that as I talk to people, I find many who claim to be Christians and who perhaps claim to have been Christians for many years who have not read the Bible through cover to cover once. I find it hard to believe that they believe in God very much if they do not even want to know what He has to say. "

There are a number of other writings on the site as well. All of them present themselves in a very scientific manner, and occasionally the science he uses is pretty accurate to modern science. I'm just curious what some of the more intelligent skeptics think of people like this man. For there are many like this, who have found shelter in science for their religion, claiming such proof and whatnot in pure interpretation. He even quotes Sagan to make a point in another essay on site.
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I don't really mind someone trying to fit their religion in with science. In truth they are completely different pursuits... the only conflict being that the Bible happens to make statements relevant to science--IMO made because the scribes didn't know any better. But for someone that thinks God wrote every word... they must constantly reinterpret the bible to fit with what science has found out...

The irony is that the "literalist" must then do exactly the opposite, and change the meaning of the Bible to preserve their argument that it's true from cover to cover in all detail.

But science should pose no problem to the Christian that doesn't believe every word is literally and factually correct.
 
In summery of the article it appears that it could be shortened too: “I tried Christianity, I liked it, now I believe it!

But it’s still not a proof.
 
mercuryturrent said:
I tried that whole year and years after to find a contradiction--to find some kind of scientific inaccuracy in the Bible. I just simply was not able to do it.
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Wow. Genesis 1 says that the earth was created before light and stars. If this were true, pretty much all of cosmology is garbage. Not to mention that you can't have plants without light. We can prove this. Come on!! It's on the first page! There are hundreds of scientific contradictions unless you start conveniently interpreting things.
 
ChristineR said:
Forget the scientific contradictions. There are numerous logical contradictions.
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Yesyesyesyes!!! Of course. Sometimes I tire of even discussing it. It is so amazing to me that so many millions of people believe that this is a history book. It's all just a bunch of stories. None of it really happened. This badly written, violent, fictional work has long outlived it's usefulness. So much energy not to mention money is completely wasted on sustaining this nonsense. Don't even get me going on this new, idiot pope. This guy should be committed but because he believes in nonsense so strongly, he's freakin' royalty.OK. I feel better now. Got it out of my system.
 
This bears all the hallmarks of a bogus piece by some Christian. They love to tell stories of how skeptical they were before they found Jesus. If this guy really couldn't find any contradictions in the bible, he must have very poor short-term memory. Perhaps a list like this could be of assistance to him. (If you want a tap-dancing lesson, look at the Christian replies to the contradictions.)
 
Tricky said:
This bears all the hallmarks of a bogus piece by some Christian. They love to tell stories of how skeptical they were before they found Jesus. If this guy really couldn't find any contradictions in the bible, he must have very poor short-term memory. Perhaps a list like this could be of assistance to him. (If you want a tap-dancing lesson, look at the Christian replies to the contradictions.)
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Exactly. The reasoning goes like this:

1. The position is pre-decided (as it frequently is by almost anyone, on any position)

2. Therefore the Bible cannot be in conflict with itself, since a thing cannot be both true and false.

3. Therefore, any apparent contradiction is not a contradiction.

4. Therefore, the first half-assed apologist explanation is acceptable, at first glance.

5. Repeated re-examinations of said explanation, until it is beaten into the ground and even detractors now accept it, is pointless, and therefore not done. (This also applies to almost every opinion on every subject by everyone.)

6. Lack of in-depth re-examination is buttressed by subconscious fears of failure that the position may be wrong. (Again, also applies...)
 
mercuryturrent said:
There are a number of other writings on the site as well. All of them present themselves in a very scientific manner, and occasionally the science he uses is pretty accurate to modern science. I'm just curious what some of the more intelligent skeptics think of people like this man. For there are many like this, who have found shelter in science for their religion, claiming such proof and whatnot in pure interpretation. He even quotes Sagan to make a point in another essay on site.
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http://www.doesgodexist.org/Phamplets/Mansproof.html

The atheist doesn't believe in the big bang, therefore God exists.
 
Wow. Genesis 1 says that the earth was created before light and stars. If this were true, pretty much all of cosmology is garbage. Not to mention that you can't have plants without light. We can prove this. Come on!! It's on the first page! There are hundreds of scientific contradictions unless you start conveniently interpreting things.
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Not only on the first page, but on the very first sentence!

"In the beginning, God created the heavens and the Earth".

For this to be true, the Earth would have been created at the very instant the Big Bang came into being. We know from astronomical observations that the Sun is a second generation star and was formed billions of years after the Big Bang, not in the begining. The Earth slowly formed and life slowly evolved. The evidence is all around us and easy to see, if only one looks.

The Bible is a primitive book, written by primitive people, for the purpose of control.
 
mercuryturrent said:
http://www.doesgodexist.org/AboutClayton/PastLife.html

I quote:

"I read the Bible through from cover to cover four times during my sophomore year in college for the explicit purpose of finding scientific contradictions in it, By that, I mean statements in the Bible that were false that I could throw back at her to show her how ridiculous it was to believe in God. I had even decided to write a book called All the Stupidity of the Bible. Something amazing happened as I did this. As I considered and thought about these things, I found that I could not find a contradiction. I tried that whole year and years after to find a contradiction--to find some kind of scientific inaccuracy in the Bible. I just simply was not able to do it. I gave up writing the book because of a lack of material! It is amazing to me that as I talk to people, I find many who claim to be Christians and who perhaps claim to have been Christians for many years who have not read the Bible through cover to cover once. I find it hard to believe that they believe in God very much if they do not even want to know what He has to say. "
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Umm, apparently he didn't read it that closely:

http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/science/long.html

Some choice ones that are very obviously scientifically wrong:

Deuteronomy 14:7-8
This verse mistakenly says that the hare chews its cud.

1 Kings 7:23
This verse implies that the value of p is 3. (The actual value is approximately 3.14159.)

2 Chronicles 4:2
Again, since the molten sea was round with a diameter of ten cubits and a circumference of thirty cubits, we know that the biblical value of p is 3.

Job 39:13-16, Lamentations 4:3
Ostriches are not cruel and stupid birds who abandon their eggs to die after laying them, as these verses imply. They are, in fact, careful and attentive parents. The male scoops out a hollow for the eggs, which are incubated by the female during the day and the male at night. After the eggs are hatched, they are cared for by the mother for over a month, at which time the chicks can keep up with running adults.

Isaiah 13:10
According to the Bible, the moon produces its own light and the earth does not move.


EDIT: Oops, I see Tricky referenced the same list!


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The Bible of the Good and Moral Atheist
 
this man sounds very angry with the bible.

Personally, I'm not any more angry with the bible than I am with any other books. And significantly less angry than I am with Battlefield Earth. It took me three days to read and I'll never get them back.
 
Lamuella said:
And significantly less angry than I am with Battlefield Earth. It took me three days to read and I'll never get them back.
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I feel for you. I read that sucker too. Incidentally, I thought people who thought the movie was a poor adaptation must not have read the book. Ignoring the problem of the Psychlos being "a virus-based lifeform" with "eyebones" instead of eyebrows, I thought the film was rather faithful to at least the tone of the novel.
 
<3 skeptics. I sort of miss this place.

In other news, I attended a martial arts class today where the Christian instructor/minister told me that when I fall, the earth is actually coming to me.

Further, from another student here, Space and time are actually seperate. IE, if all the motion in the universe stopped, time would keep on chugging. He also has a BS in Chemesty and Physics from Ohio University, and (shhh) he's very religious.
 
Almo said:
I feel for you. I read that sucker too. Incidentally, I thought people who thought the movie was a poor adaptation must not have read the book. Ignoring the problem of the Psychlos being "a virus-based lifeform" with "eyebones" instead of eyebrows, I thought the film was rather faithful to at least the tone of the novel.
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Man I read four of his series of ten books that he wrote (Can't even remember the names of them now). Consider yourself lucky, those suckers were big too.
 
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