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Proof of reincarnation

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In a previous discussion on this topic a few years ago - and of course, if I remember correctly! - it was shown that the child from birth had had ample opportunities to hear and see just about all the details required.
 
Fnord said:
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Dear Wooist,

Instead of trying to argue your opinion by merely questioning mine, how about providing an actual, practical demonstration of the alleged validity of the reincarnation myth? Demonstration trumps opinion every time!

Fnord

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Like one other on this thread you seem to think that I am a supporter of the reincarnation explanation of this particular case. I am not!

I have simply stated that the phenomenon that is generally termed "past lives memories" may have alternative neural explanations.

Your free and casual use the "woo" label seems to indicate that you do not read posts carefully enough. If you had done so with my post, you will have noticed that I was criticising only your alternative explanation to reincarnation i.e. fear of death, not defending the theory of reincarnation itself.

I shall repeat my point again. If your specific alternative explanation is true, then does it apply to atheists? That does not mean to say that all atheists do not fear death, but that kind of statistical evidence would help to to support or detract from your own explanation.

I prefer to stick for the time being with my own hypothesis, that this particular case is probably something akin to the ideometer effect that is observed when using ouija boards and is born of sub-conscious neural creativity combined with coincidence.
 
cant expect anything less then a debunking here, but wow. If it wasn't staged it certainly was a good listen. You'd think there would be things he would only know and he did. Im actually surprised at his age he remembered so much, takes time for the brain and memories to grow back in from being re-born.
 
Explorer said:
I have simply stated that the phenomenon that is generally termed "past lives memories" may have alternative neural explanations.
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And we've got that explanation:
Fnord said:
Reincarnation is a myth ... a fantasy ... a lie people use to comfort themselves regarding death.
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People leap at straws to avoid acknowledging death. That's it.
rorylee said:
cant expect anything less then a debunking here, but wow.
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The only "wow" about this case is that anyone would regard it as interesting.
 
"People leap at straws to avoid acknowledging death. That's it."

Some people perhaps, but you are generalising to suit your argument. You may be right, but where is your evidence for that statement? I am perfectly willing to accept your argument if you can justify it. But why should I, specific to this particular case, anymore than I should accept reincarnation as an explanation?
 
Explorer said:
Like one other on this thread you seem to think that I am a supporter of the reincarnation explanation of this particular case. I am not! I have simply stated that the phenomenon that is generally termed "past lives memories" may have alternative neural explanations.
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Thank you for pointing that out.
Explorer said:
Your free and casual use the "woo" label seems to indicate that you do not read posts carefully enough. If you had done so with my post, you will have noticed that I was criticising only your alternative explanation to reincarnation i.e. fear of death, not defending the theory of reincarnation itself.
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I do not read every post each person makes in any thread, especially in the longer threads -- there just isn't enough time.
Explorer said:
I shall repeat my point again. If your specific alternative explanation is true, then does it apply to atheists? That does not mean to say that all atheists do not fear death, but that kind of statistical evidence would help to to support or detract from your own explanation.
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Aw, crud ... now I gotta go back and re-read my own post - the one you're referring to...
Explorer said:
... Originally Posted by Fnord
Fnord said:
Reincarnation is a myth ... a fantasy ... a lie people use to comfort themselves regarding death.
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Not necessarily! You assume that all people that report these types of memory, fear death. Why should you assume that?
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Ah. I did not say "... a lie used by all people..." Your own free and casual insertion of the word seems to indicate that you do not read posts carefully enough, either. I should have included the word 'those' and referred a little more clearly to those people that fear death and are not wholly theistic. Were this thread's topic on "Ghost Whispering" or "ESP with Immortal Bigfoot Space Aliens" or "Ideometer Effect as Observed When Using Ouija Boards" I could have just as easily replaced "Reincarnation" with any one of those phrases, and it would have made as much sense.
Explorer said:
I prefer to stick for the time being with my own hypothesis, that this particular case is probably something akin to the ideometer effect that is observed when using Ouija boards and is born of sub-conscious neural creativity combined with coincidence.
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Could be. Either way, reincarnation is a myth.
 
Explorer said:
"People leap at straws to avoid acknowledging death. That's it."

Some people perhaps, but you are generalising to suit your argument. You may be right, but where is your evidence for that statement? I am perfectly willing to accept your argument if you can justify it. But why should I, specific to this particular case, anymore than I should accept reincarnation as an explanation?
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Reincarnation, Christianity, Islam, the pursuit of fame. I think that covers it.
 
Explorer said:
Some people perhaps, but you are generalising to suit your argument. You may be right, but where is your evidence for that statement? I am perfectly willing to accept your argument if you can justify it. But why should I, specific to this particular case, anymore than I should accept reincarnation as an explanation?
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I also wish to second this. While the fear of death seems like a darn good explanation others are suitable as well.

I met a guy once who rambled about some hypno session he once did to talk about his past life. From what he said, it didn't seem like the death issue as much as a simple wishful thinking and some attempt at avoiding boredom to an extent.

Kind of a lonely child invents an imaginary freind, a bored person can invent an imaginary life.
 
Oh ick, I remembered this particular reincarnated-fighter-pilot-kid story after reading this thread. My brother's girlfriend saw something about it on the Today show and was immediately convinced, and we both had to be polite about it for WEEKS on end, snickering only when by ourselves at IHOP. It wasn't easy.

On the whole, I actually do doubt that reincarnation beliefs are primarily about a fear of death, partly because there are other explanations even in their current silly American version. It's fun. It's interesting. It's escapist. It's creative and imaginative and can make for good fiction. It can be a common interest with other people who want to believe the same thing, and considering all the nuts I've known (not by choice!), this aspect is so much more important than you'd think. But more importantly, I think that reincarnation beliefs have to be understood in the context of every culture that has ever held them. In an awful lot of them, reincarnation meant that you'd basically failed and were stuck on earth yet again. This was not a state you wanted to aspire to.
 
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I recommend you read the book about the kid. It is really well written.

I do believe in reincarnation and never felt one life was all we got. I smartly kept my mouth shut around the grade school nuns, though, when I first felt this! I think the old religions got it right and even Christianity espoused reincarnation until some ancient ruler expunged all mention of it from dogma.
 
A certain website that I am not allowed to post (too newbie apparently) details that it started under Justinian and cont. until there was no mention of it in dogma.

Woo, one beer made me tired...time to snooze
 
psychicwonderer628 said:
I recommend you read the book about the kid. It is really well written.

I do believe in reincarnation and never felt one life was all we got. I smartly kept my mouth shut around the grade school nuns, though, when I first felt this! I think the old religions got it right and even Christianity espoused reincarnation until some ancient ruler expunged all mention of it from dogma.
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Do you have proof of reincarnation?
 
dafydd said:
Do you have proof of reincarnation?
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No conclusive proof but a strong belief. Likewise, there is no conclusive proof for the theory of evolution and yet a lot of people believe in it.
 
dafydd, no rock solid proof but there isn't proof for a lot of things. Reincarnation only makes sense. Plus what I have experienced myself at two psychic readings...see my posts re Suzane Northrop
 
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