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Proof of reincarnation

gerg said:
Well to be perfectly honest I don't think I'm going to convince you and have no need to do so. But by the same token I have never been convinced to not believe nor do I need to be. But the fact that more people on Earth believe in such things than don't belive makes it more than just "useless"
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Have you met DOC?

He makes such statements on other threads. You two should meet and compare notes.:)
 
gerg said:
What I'm arguing is that there are many ideas that are feasible until they are proven wrong. And No I'm not talking about little known beliefs, I'm talking about beliefs that many people and cultures presently and historically believe.
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1. Reincarnation is not one of those ideas. It is one of those ideas which is not 'feasible' (perhaps believable is a better word) until proven right.
2. Again, the popularity fallacy
 
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gerg said:
No not quite..I'm saying it's not right to force the belief on other people in a way like "I'm right, you're wrong". One can choose like myself to accept the idea until proven otherwise, or choose not to accept the idea for whatever reason. That's free will for you. But the fact remains a significant number of people are exercising that free will to believe in such phenomena regardless off what Science suggests, as they see such phenomena as seperate from our physical laws of nature.
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Fine, believe what you want. But when you advance a claim, you must offer credible evidence. Not links to credulous web-sites but evidence.
 
gerg said:
No not quite..I'm saying it's not right to force the belief on other people in a way like "I'm right, you're wrong". One can choose like myself to accept the idea until proven otherwise, or choose not to accept the idea for whatever reason. That's free will for you. But the fact remains a significant number of people are exercising that free will to believe in such phenomena regardless off what Science suggests, as they see such phenomena as seperate from our physical laws of nature.
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You are free to believe whatever nonsense you wish. Nobody has suggested otherwise.
But first you say you have experience of ghosts, then that you are not suggesting it is right. make up your mind.
 
John Jones said:
Such evidence as?

Popular superstition doesn't count as evidence in the scientific discipline I learned and practice.:)
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It's not science and therein lies the difference. It's beyond Science and so can't be scientifically tested in the way things are normally tested but that's no basis for dismissing the idea.
 
gerg said:
It's not science and therein lies the difference. It's beyond Science and so can't be scientifically tested in the way things are normally tested but that's no basis for dismissing the idea.
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No, BS is beyond Science. If something is real, it is not beyond testing and Science.


Science (from the Latin scientia, meaning "knowledge") is a systematic enterprise of gathering knowledge about the world and organizing and condensing that knowledge into testable laws and theories.
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Paul

:) :) :)
 
gerg said:
It's not science and therein lies the difference. It's beyond Science and so can't be scientifically tested in the way things are normally tested but that's no basis for dismissing the idea.
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There is huge basis for dismissing the idea. It flies in the face of everything we know about the universe and how it works.
It is not beyond science. Science shows that there is no way such things could exist.
 
kerikiwi said:
How so? Copernicus has been moved from an unmarked grave to a marked grave.
What has that to do with the popularity fallacy?
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My understanding was that the Catholic church finally gave him a decent burial because...I guess he was right after all. Lots of people believed in the geocentric theory, and he didn't. Not a popular position.

Nicolaus Copernicus, the 16th-century astronomer whose work was later condemned by the Catholic Church as heretical, was reburied by Polish priests as a hero yesterday, 467 years after he was laid to rest in an unmarked grave.
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Olowkow said:
My understanding was that the Catholic church finally gave him a decent burial because...I guess he was right after all. Lots of people believed in the geocentric theory, and he didn't. Not a popular position.
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I still don't get how that makes the popularity fallacy a fallacy...
 
gerg said:
Yes but would you accept that certain things can't have the same type of evidence that you are familiar with? So for example, the existance of an Apple can be scientifically proven , however, something like a ghost or the concept of Reincarnation can't be as they fall outside known physical laws. However when you have so many people both historically and present including myself that have experienced Ghosts then I believe they, and other similar concepts, should be accepted even though the evidence that they do or don't exist can't be scientifically proven.
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Excuse me, people believe a lot of things not supported by the data.

I notice you are avoiding the presentation of the data.

So you are saying I should accept the concepts of racism and the inferiority of women because they are popular ?

BTW: your argument is not a good one. Here is how it goes
1. Present your theory
2. Present the data
3. Present how it supports your theory.
 
gerg said:
Well to be perfectly honest I don't think I'm going to convince you and have no need to do so. But by the same token I have never been convinced to not believe nor do I need to be. But the fact that more people on Earth believe in such things than don't belive makes it more than just "useless"
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Move goal posts much ?

Present the evidence. Which you still haven't.
 
gerg said:
What I'm arguing is that there are many ideas that are feasible until they are proven wrong. And No I'm not talking about little known beliefs, I'm talking about beliefs that many people and cultures presently and historically believe.
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Um, you can't prove a negative.

You have not presented evidence of the positive.
 
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gerg said:
Well to be perfectly honest I don't think I'm going to convince you and have no need to do so. But by the same token I have never been convinced to not believe nor do I need to be. But the fact that more people on Earth believe in such things than don't belive makes it more than just "useless"
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Makes what more than useless?
 
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