Proof of Photomanipulation

[sheeplesnshills]

Never thought I'd see that day when JREFers make an appeal to authority, using CIT as the authority.

I guess if CIT and their supporters think I'm wrong I must be.

CIT supporters can't agree with my conclusion because it would permanently damage their credibility.

No No! Up till now I would have assumed anyone that CIT said was wrong was very likely right. Disappointingly you have shown that not to be the case.

However both you and CIT have something in common, neither of you are good at understanding that its very hard to judge distance without a frame of reference...........The guys in the Graveyard see the 757 over the Navy Annex but they have no way of knowing whether its actually in front of, over or behind it. They make the mistake of thinking its closer to them than it was and CIT jump on it. You make the mistake in a similar manner in the pictures, just because the Cab appears to be beside cantenary overhead sign in a telephoto shot does not mean it is.

 

[drewid]

You need the Google Earth software/browser plug-in.

Cheers

 

[sheeplesnshills]

Debunkers and CITers are everyone?

If debunkers agree with me that will prove a cover-up.

If CITers agree with me that will prove they are wrong.

In other words two groups disagree with me that have a strong incentive to.

Curious as to why you think we have a strong incentive to prove you wrong?
This is a Skeptics site and those of us that haunt it tend to take anything we are told with a pinch of salt. I've been following 911 CTs for years now and got into debunking them because I was curious where they had made their mistakes (and later where they were just plain lying). I had seen the pictures you showed many times before and never noticed anything wrong with them. You said you had spotted that they must be manipulated and hence I was curious to see if you were right. But as we quickly pointed out you made numerous basic errors that indicated that was unlikely and the line of site post post proves that beyond any shadow of a doubt.

Our incentive is reality.....whats yours?

 

[sheeplesnshills]

Well, anecdotally I sat down with an OCTer I trust and showed them the powerpoint....and they agreed with me that the photos are completely absurd.

Now point them to this thread and lets see if they still agree. You also have to take into account the possibility that they were humoring you..........

 

[Childlike Empress]

CIT say there is video of Lloyd and the Cab. Anyone know about it? I found the following with a quick search on youtube for "9 11 pentagon pre collapse". Apparently rather recently FOIA released material.

I can't see the cab, but i guess you'll have to analyse it in detail, because ... watch for yourself. It's almost as if the cameraguy wants to keep it a mystery.

It starts right at the spot south of the bridge:


While you're at it, debunkers, look out for a crashed Boeing 757, too.

 

[The Big Dog]

While you're at it, debunkers, look out for a crashed Boeing 757, too.

Why ask us? Your heroes in the CIT just got their asses thrown under the bus by a bunch of truthers in Jones Journal.

Why don't you get back to us with a truthy theory that is not so idiotic that even the truthers feel it necessary to run over it with a bus.

Or just tell Craig to torrent his raw video like he said he would?

 

[drewid]

Assuming that the "everything together" slide is correct, then no.

Assuming "Everything together" is correct, then the labels on photo1 and photo2 are also incorrect.

 

[sheeplesnshills]

While you're at it, debunkers, look out for a crashed Boeing 757, too.

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Curious, what did you expect the crash site to look like? It looks exactly like it should to me. If its faked they did a really really good job!. I mean they could have done something really dumb and left crumpled wings and tail lying about but then we would know that it was faked because that's not what happens when aircraft hit reinforced concrete walls............sure it would keep the ill-educated and crazy happy but it wouldn't have fooled an expert for a second.

 

[A W Smith]

CIT say there is video of Lloyd and the Cab. Anyone know about it? I found the following with a quick search on youtube for "9 11 pentagon pre collapse". Apparently rather recently FOIA released material.

I can't see the cab, but i guess you'll have to analyse it in detail, because ... watch for yourself. It's almost as if the cameraguy wants to keep it a mystery.

It starts right at the spot south of the bridge:


While you're at it, debunkers, look out for a crashed Boeing 757, too.

2 seconds in if you freeze it so that the word "Sept" in the time stamp is frozen under the do not enter sign, and you avoid touching the mouse long enough for the slider bar to disappear you can see the roof of a dark sedan facing across the lanes on the opposite side of the highway. I suspect that's Lloyds cab, I see what appears to be a piece of fuselage @1 minute in center frame on the lawn.

 

[sheeplesnshills]

CIT say there is video of Lloyd and the Cab. Anyone know about it? I found the following with a quick search on youtube for "9 11 pentagon pre collapse". Apparently rather recently FOIA released material.

I can't see the cab, but i guess you'll have to analyse it in detail, because ... watch for yourself. It's almost as if the cameraguy wants to keep it a mystery.

It starts right at the spot south of the bridge:

Watched it, there are only two very brief moments where it might possibly have been visible, once right at the start and later when a fire truck arrives. However quality is so poor as to render anything a guess at best. The cameraman is in the eastbound lanes and the taxi would have been behind him and over several lanes (and across at least two sets of barriers) so he may not even have seen the taxi or cared much even if he had as a big fire trumps car with broken window any day.

 

[Dog Town]

Let's just say that I am hypothetically as dumb as you guys claim I am ...

Way ahead of you!

 

[Childlike Empress]

2 seconds in if you freeze it so that the word "Sept" in the time stamp is frozen under the do not enter sign, and you avoid touching the mouse long enough for the slider bar to disappear you can see the roof of a dark sedan facing across the lanes on the opposite side of the highway. I suspect that's Lloyds cab, I see what appears to be a piece of fuselage @1 minute in center frame on the lawn.

At first view i thought that too, that he is right next to the cab and "flies" over it while turning the camera, but the cab has to be behind the overhead sign when the video starts. That's him? Or is that behind the bridge?

edit: Ah, i think we mean the same.

 

[Cl1mh4224rd]

So the Eiffel Tower behind the Pentagon in a photograph wouldn't be evidence of photo manipulation in your opinion?

Ahh... reductio ad absurdum. Cute.

Explain to me how this is a valid argument for refusing to do additional testing on a photograph that contains all the elements one would expect to find in a photograph taken at that location?

ETA: Whoops. I see Dave Rogers made pretty much the same point back on page 9.

 

[A W Smith]

At first view i thought that too, that he is right next to the cab and "flies" over it while turning the camera, but the cab has to be behind the overhead sign when the video starts. That's him? Or is that behind the bridge?

edit: Ah, i think we mean the same.

no he is south of the cab by about 280 feet, Alongside where gate 34 would be in the center HOV lane, Hes` walking up the northbound lanes while Lloyd's cab is in the southbound lanes two concrete barriers over, where you have the screen grab is after he pans from south to north. It took me several tries to freeze frame where hes pointing at where the cab should be, Which aligns the "Sept" of the date stamp with the large red "Do not enter" overhead sign. Pause long enough for the video slider bar to disappear and you should see it.

I am thinking this is the cab,

 

[beachnut]

CIT say there is video of Lloyd and the Cab....
While you're at it, debunkers, look out for a crashed Boeing 757, too.

Flight 77 and all the people on 77 crashed into the Pentagon. When you are going over 800 feet per second you enter the building and stop inside save the parts ejected in the 1600 pounds of TNT kinetic energy impact.

The OP failed, I thought you were not going to be seen much more here. 911 truth fails on all their claims; what is new?

Oops, I see a crashed 757, thousands of parts all over the Pentagon lawn ejected in the big kinetic energy impact, equal to 1600 pounds of TNT. Too bad CIT can't do better than Balsamo moronic math. You posted proof an aircraft crashed into the Pentagon. Good job. On the south flight path! Paik was right, CIT was wrong.

aircraft parts

a 757 crashed here

 

[Childlike Empress]

I am thinking this is the cab

Ah, well spotted. And there is what appears to be (the quality sucks of course) the lightpole sitting on the barriers and not sticking with the top inside the cab as Lloyde reported, but touching the front window with the shoulder. Which would fit the damage of the cab. One frame earlier than yours:

 

[Childlike Empress]

The OP failed, I thought you were not going to be seen much more here.

I like identifying places.

 

[A W Smith]

Ah, well spotted. And there is what appears to be (the quality sucks of course) the lightpole sitting on the barriers and not sticking with the top inside the cab as Lloyde reported, but touching the front window with the shoulder. Which would fit the damage of the cab. One frame earlier than yours:

I think what you have outlined in red are the shoulders of the gate mechanism for gate number 35 directly under the overhead sign. Because fire and rescue had already shown up I believe Lloyd and the mystery man had already removed the light pole from his windshield,

 

[sheeplesnshills]

Ah, well spotted. And there is what appears to be (the quality sucks of course) the lightpole sitting on the barriers and not sticking with the top inside the cab as Lloyde reported, but touching the front window with the shoulder. Which would fit the damage of the cab. One frame earlier than yours:

could be anything the quality is so bad. I cannot make out a cab or pole

 

[Childlike Empress]

I cannot make out a cab or pole

See? Inside job.

The description of the video links to this user who has more FOIA videos incl. several of the Pentagon.

Take a look Mobertarmy if this is still not good enough for you.