Cainkane1
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Wheres Harry Houdini when you need him?
Proof of Life After Death!!
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Let's see if I've got this straight.
Your father was standing next to John Edward telling him intimate details, and the best John Edward could offer was, "his name has an ST sound", which isn't a hit, because Salvatore doesn't have an ST sound, a new refrigerator, a brain problem, a Valerie Harper connection and a Pearl Harbour day connection.
If your father were actually standing there telling him things he wouldn't have offered things as "connections". He would have told you your time, date and place of birth, the make of new refrigerator, the row and seat your brother had for the show, and your father's full name and social security number.
Your father was standing next to John Edward telling him intimate details, and the best John Edward could offer was, "his name has an ST sound", which isn't a hit, because Salvatore doesn't have an ST sound, a new refrigerator, a brain problem, a Valerie Harper connection and a Pearl Harbour day connection.
If your father were actually standing there telling him things he wouldn't have offered things as "connections". He would have told you your time, date and place of birth, the make of new refrigerator, the row and seat your brother had for the show, and your father's full name and social security number.
How exactly does having an MLS degree imply that you have studied any subject other than library science? There are many subjects in libraries. Are you saying that you have studied them all? Appeal to authority... And not a very good one
Jim_MDP
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I could be wrong, and I hope I am, but I suspect we will see little more of Robin. I suspect this is another case of a believer deciding that her perception of skeptics as bitter and nasty people with small intellects has been confirmed.
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Imagine it like this: let's say I have a housemate whi is a bit quirky. One day, he comes into my room, very excited, and says: "Quick, BNRT, come outside! The sky has turned green!" Of course, I don't believe him, as everything Iknow about the world tells me that the sky can't just turn green. But I keep an open mind and accompany my housemate outside, just in case he may be right. Naturally, the sky is as blue as ever.
Then a couple of days later, he is there again and very excited about the green sky. Still keeping an open mind, I again follow him outside, just in case he is right this time. But of course, the sky is still not green.
Now, if my housemate keeps declaring that the sky is green time after time, I might go outside with him one or two more times. After a while, though, it is clear that the sky never becomes green. Would it be close minded to one day say: "Look, you made this claim so often and were never right. Not a single time. I'm not going to waste any more time going outside with you to check if the sky is green. Next time, get me some evidence, like photo.
Knowledge, yes. More evidence that John Edward is a fraud, not so much - most people already know that.
It would be interesting to see a transcript of this reading, rather than rely on your memory. It's always the case that when transcripts are available that it can be seen that the subject is providing information, not the so-called medium. The medium starts with guesses and uses cold reading techniques to refine the guess into something that the subject accepts as a hit. Sometimes the medium uses hot reading: googling people's names, talking with other mediums about repeat customers, even checking through rubbish bins. Those techniques need to be conclusively ruled out before anything supernatural is considered as an explanation.
Under what circumstances was this reading held? Was it a private reading, or at a show?
Nothing you've posted on your blog rules out cold or hot reading. For example, John Edward apparently told you that your father had a ST sound in his name (funny how these people only come up with sounds, do the spirits forget their own names), which you've counted as a hit, but in point of fact your father had both an S and a T in his name but not a ST sound. If your father's spirit was really in touch with John Edward, wouldn't he have just said "my name is Salvatore"? What JE was doing was trying to cover many names with the "ST sound" and then refining it as soon as you or someone else in the audience showed (even unconsciously) that this could apply to you.
I am sorry for the loss of your father. But I urge you not to waste your precious time and money on fake psychics. Your father lives on in your memory, and nobody can take that away. All this talk of refrigerators and theatre tickets is not the memory or the spirit of your father, it's the work of a well-organised, well-resourced conman who will use every trick in the book and then some to get people to keep coming to his shows.
It would be interesting to see a transcript of this reading, rather than rely on your memory. It's always the case that when transcripts are available that it can be seen that the subject is providing information, not the so-called medium. The medium starts with guesses and uses cold reading techniques to refine the guess into something that the subject accepts as a hit. Sometimes the medium uses hot reading: googling people's names, talking with other mediums about repeat customers, even checking through rubbish bins. Those techniques need to be conclusively ruled out before anything supernatural is considered as an explanation.
Under what circumstances was this reading held? Was it a private reading, or at a show?
Nothing you've posted on your blog rules out cold or hot reading. For example, John Edward apparently told you that your father had a ST sound in his name (funny how these people only come up with sounds, do the spirits forget their own names), which you've counted as a hit, but in point of fact your father had both an S and a T in his name but not a ST sound. If your father's spirit was really in touch with John Edward, wouldn't he have just said "my name is Salvatore"? What JE was doing was trying to cover many names with the "ST sound" and then refining it as soon as you or someone else in the audience showed (even unconsciously) that this could apply to you.
I am sorry for the loss of your father. But I urge you not to waste your precious time and money on fake psychics. Your father lives on in your memory, and nobody can take that away. All this talk of refrigerators and theatre tickets is not the memory or the spirit of your father, it's the work of a well-organised, well-resourced conman who will use every trick in the book and then some to get people to keep coming to his shows.
Being that I know just as much if not more about the tricks fake mediums use the reason you should seriously examine (and you do need to read ALL the comments for the full picture) my experience with John Edward is the fact that I ACTUALLY had a reading with him whereas I'm guessing most here have not. I have the knowledge of what to look for in a fake medium AND all my experiences with mediums(lots... including James Van Praagh) and in my opinion they were all fake. Except for John Edward. You have the knowledge minus the actual personal experience with John Edward which makes me a more qualified judge.
TeapotCavalry
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I find the use of scare quotes and capital T in 'truth' fittingly appropriate in this context.
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Then why are people wrong who believe in the mediums that you know are fake?
Are they simply less intelligent than you?
Further, if we find someone who actually had a John Edward reading and yet considers him a fraud, will that trump your belief? If not, why not?
That actually makes it worse given you're now invested in that reading being true. Each and every time you fail to apply critical thinking to the reading lends more credence to that event.
The fact that these folks make good livings leeching off the memories of passed loved ones makes monikers like "biggest douche in the universe" quite apt.
Octavo
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Well, that changes things! You've absolutely convinced me. JE is the real deal. Randi better watch out.
Communicating with those who have crossed over is not the same as talking to someone on your iphone with a crystal clear connection...and that has been explained in more detail in the comment section of my blog...which is why I will respectfully ask you and all on this thread to ACTUALLY read my blog and ALL the comments because many if not all of your points have ALREADY been addressed there. Then perhaps we can discuss and cover some new ground.
There's a good P&T BS episode about psychics; in one scene a man realizes that a reading he received about his lost mom from Rosemary Altea was, well, BS.
It's a good touch when Mark Edward points out the tricks in Altea's little schtick.
How do you know? How does anyone know?
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