Proof of Immortality, VII

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It might be a good time to remind ourselves of how actual statisticians responded to Jabba's ideas: http://www.talkstats.com/threads/immortality-bayesian-statistics.60035/

Page 3 I find particularly instructive, as it's explained several times why P(me|~H) cannot be calculated from the other terms of the equation, even though Jabba's argument rests on calculating it in this way.
From the link, Jabba's OP reads in part: "- I seem to have written an 8 page paper virtually proving -- through Bayesian statistics -- that we are immortal (or something similar). Obviously, I must be doing something wrong..."

And this, I posit, is the only thing he's said that's actually correct. The rest... not so much...
 
From the link, Jabba's OP reads in part: "- I seem to have written an 8 page paper virtually proving -- through Bayesian statistics -- that we are immortal (or something similar). Obviously, I must be doing something wrong..."

And this, I posit, is the only thing he's said that's actually correct. The rest... not so much...

I won't even give him that much credit. That whole opening is way too much of a forced self depreciating "Aw shucks I just couldn't have come to this amazing conclusion, I just must *wink, wink, nudge, nudge* have done something wrong."

It's false modesty as a trap, which is twice the sin that pride is.
 
Robo,
- Most of us here have agreed that a perfect copy of my brain and body would not bring me (my sense of self) back to life.

This is an absolute and unashamed lie with side orders of begged assumptions.

Everyone has agreed that 1+1=2. Everyone has agreed that your sense of self is a process that "coming back to life" has no relevance to.

You continue to lie about what others have said. I will defend to my death your right to lie but I will also point it out every time.
 
- You've all agreed that it wouldn't bring me back to life. The new sense of self would not be ME.

This is you simply restating your JIL (Jabba Immortal Lie). Nobody has agreed that your sense of self is alive. Everyone has agreed that it is a process.

This is the crux of your continual lying and trying to bait and switch the meanings of "ME" and "SELF". That's why I insisted on pinning you down on a definition and why you've refused to be pinned down.

Just bald faced lying.
 
Or, and this is the one I'm betting on, ignore my question because it's inconvenient. Ignore it because thinking about it makes you feel bad about yourself.

Even if, and that's a big if, Jabba even responds to the entire thread pointing out his dishonesty, at most, at most we'll get a:

"Okay I accept that people don't agree with me on blah blah blah" and then he'll plow ahead acting like agree without so much as a pause for breath.
 
I won't even give him that much credit. That whole opening is way too much of a forced self depreciating "Aw shucks I just couldn't have come to this amazing conclusion, I just must *wink, wink, nudge, nudge* have done something wrong."

It's false modesty as a trap, which is twice the sin that pride is.
Oh, I understood that; I figured I might just throw him a tiny little proto-bone and point out the one thing he did say that's right.
 
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Oh, I understood that; I figured I might just throw him a tiny little proto-bone and point out the one thing he did say that's right.

Sure, if Jabba says something that is correct, then it is correct. I have no issue acknowledging Jabba saying something correct, if only by accident.

Nevertheless, you know that "The Norseman agrees with me" will get splattered on Jabba's abortion of a website far and wide. In fact it may already have been by now, I just cannot work up the enthusiasm to bother checking that cesspit of lies.
 
Sure, if Jabba says something that is correct, then it is correct. I have no issue acknowledging Jabba saying something correct, if only by accident.

Nevertheless, you know that "The Norseman agrees with me" will get splattered on Jabba's abortion of a website far and wide. In fact it may already have been by now, I just cannot work up the enthusiasm to bother checking that cesspit of lies.
Ah. Yeah. Oops. I didn't even consider that.

Well, that horse is over the horizon now, but yeah, I'll have to be more careful in the future.
 
Oh I'm sure "Moe Rentley" will be one of the main villains in Jabba's off Broadway stage production of "How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love Immortality: A Musical in 3 Acts." I've made peace with it, I just hope I'm not played by a Baldwin.
 
Ah. Yeah. Oops. I didn't even consider that.

Well, that horse is over the horizon now, but yeah, I'll have to be more careful in the future.
No, I am not criticising you in any way shape or form. I am simply telling you exactly how Jabba will represent you on his borked site. Watch out, because you will be cited as support regardless of what you actually said. I wish that were not true, but having read Jabba's site to date, I know it is true.
 
It might be a good time to remind ourselves of how actual statisticians responded to Jabba's ideas: http://www.talkstats.com/threads/immortality-bayesian-statistics.60035/

Page 3 I find particularly instructive, as it's explained several times why P(me|~H) cannot be calculated from the other terms of the equation, even though Jabba's argument rests on calculating it in this way.
Indeed, Jabba's defense against the first of a dozen fatal flaws in his argument is simply to insist that he must be formulating a Bayesian inference correctly, contrary to what has been claimed here. Except that it's been also claimed elsewhere, and shown elsewhere with detailed explanations. It's also been shown here. They even went so far as to accuse Jabba of reinventing probability thoery in order to shoehorn his religious claims into statistics.

I'm asking Jabba to address all the fatal flaws at once, in a single post, with a brief explanation of how he's going to overcome then all in his final argument. So far he can't seem to follow simple instructions. His plan for #1 is obviously to continue to deny it exists and hope he can gaslight everyone into agreeing. His plan for #2 seems to be to grasp desperately at a bunch of nannying he doesn't even understand. And since I've made it plain that his instructions do not allow simply springboarding his next fringe reset off my list, he's gone back to ignoring me and it.

Safe to say Jabba has no plan for fixing the obvious errors in his proof, no intent to try, and every intent to continue lying and sleazing his way into a perception of greatness.
 
- In my opinion, there was a very reasonable possibility -- prior to any inclusion of implications from my current existence -- that there would be something more than what we now consider to be physical. My opinion is that the probability of such is really much greater than .01, but using .01 still works in the formula. In fact, .0000001 would work.

So you in fact, as we all suspected, have absolutely no rationale for using that number other than "it feels right to me".

So your entire formula is worthless.

Robo,
- Most of us here have agreed that a perfect copy of my brain and body would not bring me (my sense of self) back to life.

Nobody has agreed to that. What people have told you is that the idea is meaningless under H.
 
No, I am not criticising you in any way shape or form. I am simply telling you exactly how Jabba will represent you on his borked site. Watch out, because you will be cited as support regardless of what you actually said. I wish that were not true, but having read Jabba's site to date, I know it is true.
I appreciate your wanting to clarify so thank you; I didn't take it as a criticism at all. Still, I'm actually slightly embarrassed for not seeing it before.

But, as JoeBently pointed out, I can't do anything about what another person will quote or not quote or say or not say based on anything I've written, so I think I'll worry about other, more local, things than any online nonsense.
 
Don't worry, Norseman, it's not like anyone is ever going to look at Jabba's site. One or two brave ISF posters checking it out to report back here is the only real traffic it's ever going to get. From what they've told us, anyone else who stumbles upon it is unlikely to linger.
 
Why do you think that the fact that copying something results in two things instead of one is a profound observation?
- Here, the new sense of self would be different in that regard -- and, we have no way of predicting "who" it will be instead.
 
It might be a good time to remind ourselves of how actual statisticians responded to Jabba's ideas: http://www.talkstats.com/threads/immortality-bayesian-statistics.60035/

Page 3 I find particularly instructive, as it's explained several times why P(me|~H) cannot be calculated from the other terms of the equation, even though Jabba's argument rests on calculating it in this way.
Agatha,
- But, I ultimately changed my mind about that particular logic, and my new syllogism does not rest upon calculating that way.
 
- Here, the new sense of self would be different in that regard -- and, we have no way of predicting "who" it will be instead.

IN WHAT REGARD?

You just said "It would be different" YET FRICKIN' AGAIN.

EXPLAIN THE DIFFERENCE.
 
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