Proof of Immortality, VII

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Jabba said:
- OK. That makes sense. I've already responded to Jay's introduction and first fatal flaw. I'll see what I can do with #2.
- But then, I'll happily respond to anyone objecting to, or questioning, one of my premises in my last syllogism.
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You are in your own world.
 
jond said:
I will let JayUtah deal with the bulk of this. 1) But the problem you refuse to address is that in your H, you consider the self to be an entity that exists separately from your body. This is not, and indeed cannot be, consistent with materialism. Unless and until you deal with this, all of your messing about with bayesian bollocks is, well, bollocks.

2) You have stated that you accept the premise that the self is a process, but you continue to assert that somehow this process exists separately from the brain which is generating the process. This cannot happen: brain stops functioning, process stops. That's how things work in the materialist world that you are trying to disprove. Unless and until you demonstrate that a process can continue after the components that give rise to it stop functioning, all of your messing about with bayesian bollocks is, well, bollocks.
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jond,
- Re #1.
- I have addressed this objection, but, I'll try again.
- The "self" is something we all experience. It's the thing/process that reincarnationists think returns and that solipsism claims is all that we know for sure exists. In our debate formula, the materialist model is, in fact, represented by "OOFLam," "H," P(H)" and "P(E|H)." No problem (that I can see).

- Re #2.
- I don't accept that the brain generates the process. I suggest that the brain receives the process.
 
Jabba said:
jond,
- Re #1.
- I have addressed this objection, but, I'll try again.
- The "self" is something we all experience. It's the thing/process that reincarnationists think returns and that solipsism claims is all that we know for sure exists. In our debate formula, the materialist model is, in fact, represented by "OOFLam," "H," P(H)" and "P(E|H)." No problem (that I can see).

- Re #2.
- I don't accept that the brain generates the process. I suggest that the brain receives the process.
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Jabba:
1: Thing and Process are NOT the same. At all. That you continue to conflate the two despite all the times you've been shown that they are not the same is your problem. A process CANNOT continue when the components that give rise to it stop functioning. A thing exists as a separate countable entity. What we experience as a sense of self is a process happening in the brain. It's not a separate thing. That's the materialistic model.

2: In materialism, the brain CANNOT receive the process. You've been shown evidence which rules this out. Further, everything we know about consciousness is able to be altered or shut off by altering (physically or chemically) the brain. There is no reason to think otherwise. Besides that: a process cannot be received. A process is NOT a thing.
 
Jabba said:
Mojo,
- I've already agreed to your suggestion (#1086).
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NO YOU DIDN'T.

You pulled the same crap you always pulled. You just "agreed" to do it at some point in the future that you'll never actually get around to.

We don't want you to "agree to" respond to us, we want you TO ACTUALLY RESPOND TO US.
 
Jabba said:
jond,
- Re #1.
- I have addressed this objection, but, I'll try again.
- The "self" is something we all experience. It's the thing/process that reincarnationists think returns and that solipsism claims is all that we know for sure exists. In our debate formula, the materialist model is, in fact, represented by "OOFLam," "H," P(H)" and "P(E|H)." No problem (that I can see).

- Re #2.
- I don't accept that the brain generates the process. I suggest that the brain receives the process.
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Oh, and #2 part B: you do realize that you've once again indicated that you have a separate entity which not only needs to be demonstrated but also means that your whole premise is destroyed by very simple mathematics: your body/brain + this separate entity which transmits the process into your brain + the means by which this could work CANNOT be more likely than your body/brain alone.
 
Jabba said:
Mojo,
- I've already agreed to your suggestion (#1086).
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No, you haven't. I asked you to address the points in the post I linked to; you said that you would try to address one of them.

And you haven't even attempted to do that yet, have you? As usual you're just wasting time in the hope that nobody will notice that you have once again failed.
 
Jabba said:
Mojo,
- How about this?
- In regard to the UFC heavyweight title, I give up. Jay is champ. I simply can't keep up...
- But, in the one-or-two-questions/objections-at-a-time ring, I'll happily take on any challenger.
- Give me your best shot...
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Oh be quiet! If this were a boxing match, you would have had your license revoked.

No one is going to get in the ring with you. It's a waste of energy.
 
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Jabba said:
- Tell me one error in my syllogism, and I'll respond.
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No, Jabba, the assignment was to address the breadth of your argument, touching all it's fatal flaws in one go. You clearly just want to bog the discussion down in one detail that you either never resolve or decide to abandon on your terms in favor of another detail. You are a one-trick pony, and that's your trick. I predict you'll go back to ignoring me because I won't let you ply your patented technique for obfuscating and avoiding debate. That means I'll have proven my point.
 
Jabba said:
- OK. That makes sense. I've already responded to Jay's introduction and first fatal flaw. I'll see what I can do with #2.
- But then, I'll happily respond to anyone objecting to, or questioning, one of my premises in my last syllogism.
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No, that was not the assignment. I do not accept your answer because it is incomplete and because it didn't address the problem; it simply begged "Nuh-uh!" Please follow my instructions. Don't make up new ones that you've just up and decided you want to follow instead.
 
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