Proof of God

ETA2: I think that would be "之神" (zhī shén), but let's just say that my confidence in this answer is about as strong as my confidence that Dustin can make a logically sound argument. ;)

ETA3: Or possibly "在神之" (zài zhī shén). Perhaps I should stop speculating and go to sleep.

Nope, I was completely wrong. Nevermind. :o
 
Dustin,your ideas & beliefs are all yours,after all.They are neither right nor wrong.At least I can't judge.But I see that you are very brave & very honest.
 
You know what's infinitely more important than proof of god: you need spaces after your commas and periods.
 
billyjoe said:
You know what's infinitely more important than proof of god: you need spaces after your commas and periods.

I'm sure you could do with a question mark in there somewhere :p
 
He could, or he could keep his sentence as an affirmation. I don't see the problem.
 
(BTW, this is the second thread I'm no longer receiving email alerts for.
Is anyone else having this problem?)
It happened to me several times with a single thread. I had to go to my subscribed threads and turn on the instant notification feature.
 
That is because so-called god doesn't like you.......... :rolleyes:

Paul

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On the contrary, The argument isn’t that theism is justified because it makes people ‘happy’ but is justified because it ‘works’ in their lives.

I don't think anyone is arguing religion does not exist. As for how well it works thats open to question. Atheists tend to be more successful and long lived than theists. Theists make wonderful cannon fodder and dupes for political movements.. draw your own conclusions.

Because the brain has receptors that accomodate opiates does not mean it's good to take them. But you are correct.. what that research shows is that indeed, Marx was more right than he knew. Religion is literally the opiate of the masses.

Asking whether or not he can make a stone so heavy that he can’t lift is a meaningless question according to him.

Because he believed it to be meaningless doesn't mean it is.

But we needn't stop there. If god is omnipotent then he cannot be bounded. If we can know something about him he can be bounded by our logic and perception, ergo he is not omnipotent, ergo he is not god if God must be omnipotent. If god is not omnipotent then hes just some more advanced critter on the evolutionary ladder and not God. If God can only do the possible he is again, not omnipotent.

If he is omnipotent then he must be unknowable. If he's unknowable then he is moot to our existence. If he is unknowable then we can not assert that he has any properties whatsoever. Including the property of existence or the property of nonexistence.

How does one define “evil”? Who defines ‘evil’? Who gets to say whether or not something is bad or good? Can such a thing be done?

The subject defines evil. We do. A hypothetical sentient ant would correctly describe me as evil when I poison his anthill. My emotional state may be indifferent, malicious, or pitying for the thing I must do. In any case I am certainly evil to the ants.

Clearly, A moral law means that there must be a moral law maker.

Of course. We make them, and don't do so uniformly by any means. Cultural morals differ a lot. Ask a fundamentalist muslim a list of questions you ask a christian or a hindi. The answers won't be heterogenous.

Our brains are receiving input from our senses every second of every day.

Yet a mere receiver cannot act. The fact we receive information does not imply that is the only function. In fact it is merely tautological. Any system which can act on data must receive it as well.

I think you are arguing here against substrate independence to try to convince yourself there is a soul. I suspect that is forlorn and soon enough computer science will be proving substrate independence.

If there were evidence of the soul we would not be having this discussion. A soul is a pretty happy idea.. it would be nice think to think they are real. Given proof not many would reject it. Certainly not me.

It's pretty amusing watching people deny the fact that my initial post proves God yet jump through hoops to evade refuting a single one of my arguments sentence by sentence.

See preceding:)

Congratulations for trying to tackle the tough nuts tho. Most theists won't go there. And as you attempt to stay logical you may learn.. there is hope for you:)
 
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Try Unsubscribing to the tread first and then re-subscribe to the thread. It worked for me once.

Paul

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Bye.

I still waiting for this so-called proof of a so-called god.

Paul

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Dustin, while I very much respect your intentions...and have learned a lot from just that one post...I don't think you will ever prove God exists.

When I saw the thread title...I figured someone had started another stupid thread, trying to 'prove' God exists. But alas, this seems much more interesting.

Well I haven't had time to read or respond on this thread but I think Dustin has given many of you intellects something to consider. Good job Dustin!

And what do you mean Azure by someone bringing up another stupid thread? I have never seen so much action on a thread as I did when I started that thread on "Why Is The Gospel An Offense?" You guys here at jref forum jumped all over me with it and I was quite surprised by all the responses. At least it got some attention to perhaps make some think about the truth of who Jesus is and why He came to earth. At least I like to think some seeds were planted that just maybe God could use to grow faith in someone out there in JREF land.

God isn't hiding gang but you must believe He is before you will find the truth that can set you free and save your eternal soul!
 
Well I haven't had time to read or respond on this thread but I think Dustin has given many of you intellects something to consider. Good job Dustin!
There is nothing written by Dustin to consider.
And what do you mean Azure by someone bringing up another stupid thread?
Not stupid, redundant is closer to the mark.
I have never seen so much action on a thread as I did when I started that thread on "Why Is The Gospel An Offense?"
Because it is not true.
You guys here at jref forum jumped all over me with it and I was quite surprised by all the responses. At least it got some attention to perhaps make some think about the truth of who Jesus is and why He came to earth.
There is no Jesus that is the so-called son of a so-called god.
At least I like to think some seeds were planted that just maybe God could use to grow faith in someone out there in JREF land.
Faith built on lies is foolishness.
God isn't hiding gang but you must believe He is before you will find the truth that can set you free and save your eternal soul!

So-called god isn't hiding because it isn't and that is the truth.

Paul

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But I do like soul music.
 
So-called god isn't hiding because it isn't and that is the truth.

Paul

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But I do like soul music.

You may choose to believe that lie you bought into, but I never will. Our God is very much alive and Jesus shows us the one true way to the Father.
I'd open my eyes to the truth if I were you before it's too late!
 
You may choose to believe that lie you bought into, but I never will. Our God is very much alive and Jesus shows us the one true way to the Father.
I'd open my eyes to the truth if I were you before it's too late!

System.out.println(Christianity.Fundie.threat());

Some fine programming at work there.
 
God is in his heaven and all is well...I am receiving my email alerts again. :)
 
You may choose to believe that lie you bought into, but I never will. Our God is very much alive and Jesus shows us the one true way to the Father.
I'd open my eyes to the truth if I were you before it's too late!

No you believe the lie, and you have to lie about how everything in the world works to make you so-called bible and so-called god work. Lie about the age of the earth, lie about the age of the universe, lie about how weather works, lie about diseases work, and lie about how earthquakes work, you list is almost endless for all the lies you need to make it work for you. Lie, lie and then lie some more when science shows the true nature of things. You just don't want to be of this planet, it kills you to think that you're only an animal, and that you have no soul. That this is no afterlife, no big daddy in the sky, and Jesus if he existed was only a man and the whole story about him is a lie. That he was only one of many messiahs of his time and his so-called follower waited for his return in their lifetime, not yours, to return. You life a lie, and if that is how you want to live, that is fine for you, has for me I want the truth and don’t need the lies to make my day and make me so-called important.

Paul

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I feel sorry for your need for lies.
 

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