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Oliver

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It´s one of the Truthmovements™ claims to support their
theories and to be honest, it is indeed a pretty interesting
issue. My question is:

Okay, there is this plan - but what in these plans was
accomplished so far? Do you think it´s just a plan - a
suggestion that was never realized?

What does this has to do with the FEMA-Camp Theory?
 
The PNAC is a great piece of work. I have it in hardback... it's a limited edition print signed by William Kristol himself... yea, that real-life commie bastard you always see up on Fox news.

...did I ever tell you... yer my hero...
 
28th Kingdom said:
The PNAC is a great piece of work. I have it in hardback... it's a limited edition print signed by William Kristol himself... yea, that real-life commie bastard you always see up on Fox news.

...did I ever tell you... yer my hero...
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I´m your Hero? :confused: Who are you?
So what was realized in these plans so far?
 
Oliver... I applaud you... at least you are seriously looking at the issues... thank you for that. What was realized from the PNAC? Everything... the PNAC called for increased military budgets, so that America could expand its global power. Military might is paramount when it comes to seizing land that doesn't belong to you i.e. Iraq

"Critics allege the controversial organization proposes military and economic space, cyberspace, and global domination by the United States, so as to establish — or maintain — US dominance in world affairs (Pax Americana). Some have argued the US-led invasion of Iraq in March of 2003 was the first step in furthering these plans."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PNAC

But, what does PNAC need in order to jump start the transformation it seeks? Oh yea... a New Pearl Harbor. That's just a coincidence people... just like a Zionist leasing the WTC Towers 6 weeks prior to 9/11 - when the Towers had been under the ownership of the Port Authority for almost 30 years prior to that... is just a ittle bitty coincidence... and just like 9/11 happened only 8+ months after the Bush administration, filled with several members of PNAC... including the Vice President and Secretary of Defense, entered into the highest ranking positions of power in the USG through the hijacking of the 2000 elections.

You know... just little things here and there... that don't really add up to much.
 
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28th Kingdom said:
Oliver... I applaud you... at least you are seriously looking at the issues... thank you for that. What was realized from the PNAC? Everything... the PNAC called for increased military budgets, so that America could expand it's global power. Military power is everything when it comes to seizing land that doesn't belong to you i.e. Iraq

"Critics allege the controversial organization proposes military and economic space, cyberspace, and global domination by the United States, so as to establish — or maintain — US dominance in world affairs (Pax Americana). Some have argued the US-led invasion of Iraq in March of 2003 was the first step in furthering these plans."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PNAC

But, what does PNAC need in order to jump start the transformation it seeks? Oh yea... a New Pearl Harbor. That's just a coincidence people... just like a Zionist leasing the WTC Towers 6 weeks prior to 9/11 - when the Towers had been under the ownership of the Port Authority for almost 30 years prior to that... is just a ittle bitty coincidence.
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I never looked deep into the issue because it sounded
like "Northwoods" - an old plan that was never realized
but cited to death nevertheless.

As far i see the situation from european view, these plans
will fail - and we will see it at the next elections. So in
the end, all these outcries from CT´ists are senseless
because the Iraq-Plan failed.

But to get back to the Governments involvement - why
did they have to fake the Iraq-Evidence if they already
had plans for the invasion plus the PNAC-Plan. You and
other CT´ists are suggesting that they completely forgot
why they were doing it. - The goal of the whole plan.
 
Oliver said:
I never looked deep into the issue because it sounded
like "Northwoods" - an old plan that was never realized
but cited to death nevertheless.

As far i see the situation from european view, these plans
will fail - and we will see it at the next elections. So in
the end, all these outcries from CT´ists are senseless
because the Iraq-Plan failed.

But to get back to the Governments involvement - why
did they have to fake the Iraq-Evidence if they already
had plans for the invasion plus the PNAC-Plan. You and
other CT´ists are suggesting that they completely forgot
why they were doing it. - The goal of the whole plan.
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The Iraq invasion is a perfect success. The USG has seized control over that land... and left it's people in a never-ending cycle of war amongst themselves. Iraq has been turned into a third-world country... and that's exactly what the USG intended to make it.

The USG doesn't want peace in Iraq....because, as long as their is violence, the US will have the excuse to build permanent military bases there... which means more money for Halliburton... and all the free oil you can shake a stick at.

Next up is Iran... first, the US will do another false flag on one of their own military ships... then they will invade Iran... at which point, the world will probably end.
 
28th Kingdom said:
Next up is Iran... first, the US will do another false flag on one of their own military ships... then they will invade Iran... at which point, the world will probably end.
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Made January 15, 2007 at 1:21am PST.

As a lurker, I just felt like recording this permanently for posteriety. Because, as a lurker, I have seen what happens to other posts this quack gets wrong. Sure it'll take a bit longer to be proved wrong, but what the hell, eh?
 
28th Kingdom said:
The Iraq invasion is a perfect success. The USG has seized control over that land... and left it's people in a never-ending cycle of war amongst themselves. Iraq has been turned into a third-world country... and that's exactly what the USG intended to make it.

The USG doesn't want peace in Iraq....because, as long as their is violence, the US will have the excuse to build permanent military bases there... which means more money for Halliburton... and all the free oil you can shake a stick at.

Next up is Iran... first, the US will do another false flag on one of their own military ships... then they will invade Iran... at which point, the world will probably end.
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I´m guessing here but to me it sounds like the invasion in
Iraq had indeed something to do with simplifying negotiations
with Iraq and their Oil reserve.

My point is that there is more chaos than before the war.
And considering the popularity of the war, i guess that a
change in regime after the next elections will end the war,
leaving a completely chaotic iraqi government behind.
Nothing stable to reach their goals at all.

And america is at least not "very popular" over there. So
the Iraqis disagree with the americans even more as before
the invasion - i simply see no success in Iraq.
 
Oliver said:
It´s one of the Truthmovements™ claims to support their
theories and to be honest, it is indeed a pretty interesting
issue. My question is:

Okay, there is this plan - but what in these plans was
accomplished so far? Do you think it´s just a plan - a
suggestion that was never realized?

What does this has to do with the FEMA-Camp Theory?
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I think it was an agenda for change subsequent to the end of the cold war and the shifting balance of power in the world.

Obviously the american military had had 50 years of planning to fight the soviets and was developing weapon systems with that in mind. They also had a massive presence in europe to counter a soviet threat.

But the end of the cold war and the development of new IT meant that a different strategy was required and they set out in their document their proposals for what that strategy should be and how it should be implemented.

The only thing the woowoo's have with regard to the PNAC document is the 'pearl harbour' reference which got them all hot and bothered after 9/11.

But they were using that as an example of how change can be speeded up by an attack which is unpredicted and shows up the deficiencies in the strategic thinking up to that point.

But since PNAC was very much in favour of technology over boots on the ground, it is ironic that they are blamed for starting two wars which due to the assymetrical nature of the conflict has basically ended up with boots on the ground and alot of redundant high technology.

As for FEMA camps, I would just ask how anyone can seriously imagine that a country with as massive a foreign debt as the US could possibly consider oppressing it's own people without causing extreme economic failure as other countries impose sanctions, stop investment and call in debts.

Think the dollar is weak right now? You aint seen nothing yet!
 
28th, where do you get that Larry Silverstein is a Zionist???

Please provide proof from a refutable source.
 
Concerning Iran. My guess is that they will not invade Iran.
America is more unpopular than ever before in History. So
the decision to go into Iran would be fatal - and the strategists
within the Pentagon also know this for fact.

So what are you afraid of? - The next elections will show
if america wants to have another War-Mongerer or a more
peaceful politics. My guess is that "general america" wants
the second option.
 
28th Kingdom said:
it's a limited edition print signed by William Kristol himself... yea, that real-life commie bastard you always see up on Fox news.
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Kristol is a "commie"? Geez, 28, you really have to confront your supplier about the quality of that weed you've been getting.
 
Oliver said:
Concerning Iran. My guess is that they will not invade Iran.
America is more unpopular than ever before in History. So
the decision to go into Iran would be fatal - and the strategists
within the Pentagon also know this for fact.

So what are you afraid of? - The next elections will show
if america wants to have another War-Mongerer or a more
peaceful politics. My guess is that "general america" wants
the second option.
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The Democrats... are in on it just as much as the Republicans. This is where the Federal Reserve... and the families (owners of the FED banks) who actually run the US - come into play.

The left/right political paradigm is a fraud. Both parties are bought and paid for by this elite group of families who have similar aspirations as the PNAC.

Haven't you noticed that even though the Dems now hold the majority in the House and Senate... that it's not gonna change anything in Iraq? All of these Dems are still for this war... because their votes are paid for by the ones who print all of the currency in the US.

Please, go watch this documentary to find out how the USG was hijacked back in 1913 by this group of families.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOYP6sbhE4o&mode=related&search=
 
28th Kingdom said:
The Democrats... are in on it just as much as the Republicans. This is where the Federal Reserve... and the families (owners of the FED banks) who actually run the US - come into play.

The left/right political paradigm is a fraud. Both parties are bought and paid for by this elite group of families who have similar aspirations as the PNAC.
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I agree - the Federal Reserve has also a role within foreign
policy but to me it looks like the main goal in Iraq was to have
a modern, democratic system over there to stabilize the region,
also in terms of the Middle East problem.

And so far this plan seems to fail because it looks like the complete
opposite reaction is going to happen. (That´s when i start to think
that the President and his Staff are dumb like [rule8])

28th Kingdom said:
Haven't you noticed that even though the Dems now hold the majority in the House and Senate... that it's not gonna change anything in Iraq? All of these Dems are still for this war... because their votes are paid for by the ones who print all of the currency in the US.
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I´ve noticed it but the mess is already there. What should
they do? 9/11 had a big role in the american mind and terrorism,
no matter if Iraq was involved. Saddam Hussein was a Symbol
for this type of bad emotions against terrorism. Today we know
it was a lie - but the emotions remain. Also - america can not
leave Iraq in the current condition. There is too much chaos
right now and it would be irresponsibly to leave "just because".

28th Kingdom said:
Please, go watch this documentary to find out how the USG was hijacked back in 1913 by this group of families.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOYP6sbhE4o&mode=related&search=
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I also think that the "2 Party System" is a joke from my
german view, having 13 Parties over here. That´s why i
started this thread to find out a littlebit more about my
guess. I would appreciate if you would like to add some-
thing to the discussion:

The US-"Democracy" conspiracy theory
 
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