"Progressives" Win Big Over Establishment Democrats

[The Don]

Overall it looks like about 14.5% ($92,000) of their donations ($635,000) actually went to "Grants and Other Assistance" and the remainder was eaten up in overhead.

It very much depends on the nature of the charity.

Mrs Don is Treasurer and Trustee for a local charity which provides volunteers to help out families who have come to the attention of social services and where there is a child in the house under the age of five.

Apart from a small sum retained for reserves, every single penny raised goes to overhead whether it's the (small) team of professional administrators recruiting volunteers and coordinating the efforts of the volunteers and families, training and overseeing the volunteers or paying the volunteers' expenses.

None of the money raised ever goes directly to the families in need.

 

[The Don]

How much does Kara Eastman make working for the non-profit?

How much value does she deliver ?

25 years ago Andersen Consulting in London employed an ex Major General on what I considered to be a ridiculous sum at the time (£500k p.a. plus a bonus which could be several times that, equivalent to what many of the senior partners were making). He strolled into the office around 11, went to lunch with his ex-colleagues at one of his, or their, clubs, came back late afternoon - usually steaming drunk - and then wobbled off home again.

This was galling to someone like me working 80+ hours a week for a small single digit percentage of what he was getting, but his contacts and schmoozing allowed Andersen Consulting to build up a military consulting business worth hundreds of millions.

If Kara Eastman can bring in $millions due to her contacts, then a $100k salary may be excellent value.

What is her net worth?

How is this important ? Do we consider a CEO's net worth when setting their renumeration or does it depend on the value that they deliver to the business ?

 

[uke2se]

Good for the progressive candidates. The US can afford to move quite a bit to the left politically. In fact, moving any further to the right you won't have a democracy anymore.

 

[TurkeysGhost]

Good for the progressive candidates. The US can afford to move quite a bit to the left politically. In fact, moving any further to the right you won't have a democracy anymore.

I'm curious how the political parties will shake out post-Trump (assuming the proto-facism fizzles out). With the Republican party tacking further and further to the right and a growing progressive wing of the Democrats, neo-libs and never-Trumper conservatives may find they have more in common with each other than their own parties.

I welcome the growing progressive movement. Someone needs to challenge the pro-business coalition of D and R.

 

[Trakar]

... Or even on this forum.

"Conservidiot".

You know there are conservatives on this forum. And you know that kind of rhetoric doesn't help you with them. But you can't. Resist. Going there. Anyway.

Do you think the general public will forget how you really feel? Do you think a cynical change of rhetoric will fool them about the extent of your disdain for them?

If you are not a conservidiot, then you have nothing to be offended by. I don't take personally, the negative characterizations of idiots regardless of which side of the political spectrum they try to cloak their idiocy within. There is likely a parity of idiocy across the political spectrum due largely to the simple fact that most people are idiots, regardless of their political persuasion.

 

[Trakar]

Here's another Dem (grandson of Henry Wallace, no less), who's got some 'splaining to do:

You do realize that there is a big difference between being politically against the far right, war-mongering, authoritarian regime in Israel and being against the Jewish religion and the people who practice it,...don't you?

 

[Venom]

Sad to see Stormy Daniels or Robert "Let me do my job" Mueller getting more attention here.

This is one of the more important threads in this subforum.

 

[Dr. Keith]

Sad to see Stormy Daniels or Robert "Let me do my job" Mueller getting more attention here.

This is one of the more important threads in this subforum.

I think the lack of attention is due to the lack of certainty combined with a lack of passion for the choices. I don't think any of us are certain whether this will turn out to be good or bad for the party. It could play out that going full progressive and distancing from the party apparatus get the votes out or it could alienate moderates. But even if you have strong belief that it will go one way or the other it is not like you can find someone who is passionate bout that belief.

Whereas some people are really passionate about the enforceability of NDAs, apparently.

 

[ponderingturtle]

My understanding is that democratic socialism and socialism are two different things. It appears the National Review is drawing a false equivalency.

Next you will by trying to say that the Democratic Socialism of #&%$#hole countries like Norway is any different from National Socialism.

 

[Brainster]

You do realize that there is a big difference between being politically against the far right, war-mongering, authoritarian regime in Israel and being against the Jewish religion and the people who practice it,...don't you?

Take it up with the Forward, which is a "progressive" Jewish magazine (used to be a newspaper). Maybe they're so stupid they don't see this big difference that you have identified that will no doubt be Wallace's response.

You could also contact Larry Sabato, who seems to have been fooled by the Forward piece:

Late Wednesday, The Forward reported that Wallace’s foundation “has given hundreds of thousands of dollars to organizations that promote the boycott, divestment and sanctions campaign against Israel,” a potential problem for a Democrat running in a district with a substantial Jewish population. We’re holding at Toss-up for now, as opposed to Leans Republican, but PA-1 is the least likely Democratic flip of these three GOP-held Pennsylvania Toss-ups.

 

[ahhell]

Ahh, modern conservatism, where progress and democracy are bad things.

Not everything labeled progress is good, and democracy in excess is definitely bad.

If you are not a conservidiot, then you have nothing to be offended by. I don't take personally, the negative characterizations of idiots regardless of which side of the political spectrum they try to cloak their idiocy within. There is likely a parity of idiocy across the political spectrum due largely to the simple fact that most people are idiots, regardless of their political persuasion.

So feminists should not be offended by use of the term feminazi nore liberals by the term libtard, if they aren't the NAZI's or Tards in question?

 

[Foolmewunz]

Sad to see Stormy Daniels or Robert "Let me do my job" Mueller getting more attention here.

This is one of the more important threads in this subforum.

Yes, because you can use it as a barometer to work-out what the Republican spin is going to be in the coming election cycle. Is it mere coincidence that Town Hall, Fox, Breitbart, RCP and various other bloggers and commenters have noted the yuge inroads by (eeew!) progressives?

Welcome to the narrative spin. The Democratic Party has always had a progressive wing and a number of members who lean to socialist solutions that make the robber barons in the GOP cringe. Just as the Republican party has always had uber conservative Robert Welch types who make me cringe. Neither of those should cause concern. They're part of US politics and its fairly horrid two-party monopolization.

This is the Spin Zone. This is one of two GOP defenses against the hatred that their leader engenders. Hannity and friends are spinning that the GOP is going to be energized by the ongoing Mueller investigations and will turn out in droves. The other tack is that the Democrats are offering safe harbor to fellow travelers, anarchists and commies why just lookit that pushy broad in Nebraska!

 

[applecorped]

Progressive will hand Trump 2020

 

[LSSBB]

Progressive will hand Trump 2020

Or:

Trump may hand the country to Progressives in 2020. Not what I want, but how do you think we ended up with Obama 2008?

 

[Trakar]

Or:

Trump may hand the country to Progressives in 2020. Not what I want, but how do you think we ended up with Obama 2008?

You might have a point if Obama had actually been a progressive instead of to the right of moderate Republicanism in the US up until the 90s.

 

[Cleon]

You might have a point if Obama had actually been a progressive instead of to the right of moderate Republicanism in the US up until the 90s.

The way things are going, within a decade thinking that roads should be publicly owned will be considered a form of Marxism-Leninism.

 

[Trakar]

Not everything labeled progress is good, and democracy in excess is definitely bad.

So feminists should not be offended by use of the term feminazi nore liberals by the term libtard, if they aren't the NAZI's or Tards in question?

Indeed!

Now, pointing at a specific person and identifying their actions or policy preferences as such (conservidiot, libtard, feminazi, etc.) is a different matter (generally referred to as slanderous or defamatory) depending upon circumstances and how such is framed.

 

[Trakar]

Take it up with the Forward, which is a "progressive" Jewish magazine (used to be a newspaper). Maybe they're so stupid they don't see this big difference that you have identified that will no doubt be Wallace's response...

They weren't the ones here promoting that perspective, you were. Thus I took it up with you. If you wish to back away from your statement, I would consider that enlightened.

 

[Brainster]

They weren't the ones here promoting that perspective, you were. Thus I took it up with you. If you wish to back away from your statement, I would consider that enlightened.

My statement was that he's got some 'splaining to do, and I'm happy to stick with it. Anybody supporting BDS is going to find it tough sledding getting elected in a heavily Jewish area, and I note that Wallace's immediate response was that he does not support BDS:

Wallace’s campaign office did not return requests for comment. After the publication of this article, Wallace’s campaign manager, Eric Nagy, issued a statement saying that Wallace did not support BDS.

“It’s no surprise the [National Republican Congressional Committee] would resort to misleading political attacks to distort Scott Wallace’s record the day after he won the primary,” Nagy wrote. “Here are the facts: Scott Wallace strongly supports the state of Israel. Scott unequivocally disavows the BDS movement."

Notice the lack of weasel words in that statement; no mention that he opposes "the far right, war-mongering, authoritarian regime in Israel," as you put it. Yeah, he does blame the NRCC for publicizing Wallace's record (apparently the Forward is now somehow an arm of the NRCC).

 

[Foolmewunz]

Yes, because you can use it as a barometer to work-out what the Republican spin is going to be in the coming election cycle. Is it mere coincidence that Town Hall, Fox, Breitbart, RCP and various other bloggers and commenters have noted the yuge inroads by (eeew!) progressives?

Welcome to the narrative spin. The Democratic Party has always had a progressive wing and a number of members who lean to socialist solutions that make the robber barons in the GOP cringe. Just as the Republican party has always had uber conservative Robert Welch types who make me cringe. Neither of those should cause concern. They're part of US politics and its fairly horrid two-party monopolization.

This is the Spin Zone. This is one of two GOP defenses against the hatred that their leader engenders. Hannity and friends are spinning that the GOP is going to be energized by the ongoing Mueller investigations and will turn out in droves. The other tack is that the Democrats are offering safe harbor to fellow travelers, anarchists and commies why just lookit that pushy broad in Nebraska!

Progressive will hand Trump 2020

Precisely.