bikerdruid
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it seems very clear to me.
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it seems very clear to me.
Bob Blaylock
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Except for his own property. He has enough land to have an acre-sized garden, which means he has a lot more property than many of us have. It probably means he has more property than many of those whom he thinks have too much property.
It isn't clear at all. Do you mean anyone who employees others?
Bob Blaylock
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“anyone who makes money on the sweat of others” == “Anyone who owns and operates a business that provides jobs and employment to others.”
I am quite grateful to the great company that makes money off of my sweat and my hard work, because in so doing, it allows me the opportunity myself also to make the money that allows me to support myself and my wife.
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leftysergeant
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The fossil record says otherwise. Sharing is more central to human behavior. We wouldn't have survived the Serengetti without it.
Look at the type specimens for H. neanderthalensis and the "Old Man" of Aixe au Chappele (? sp.) or the Dmanisi "little people. They all needed a lot of attention from others just to survive.
bikerdruid
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i have not said anything about property. ever.
bikerdruid
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see above.
Right, because North Korea (government forced sharing) and Somalia (non-government sharing) are the epitomes of sharing.
leftysergeant
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Not even half-right. Somalia is totally about competition.
Which would be any employer.
And you conveniently changed your avatar which previous said, "property is theft". Nice try at covering your tracks.
bikerdruid
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'property is theft' is one of a proudhon's tenets of anarchism.
he was not against personal property, because everyone needs a place to live. however, he explains that 'landlords' (people who own rental properties are thieves.
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So you want renters to be homeless?
Certainly not! The real estate owned by the swinish, thieving landlords should be taken from them and given to the current renters. You know, the from each according to his ability, to each according to his need, whole thing. After all, owning more real estate than your home is clearly greedy an cannot be tolerated in utopia.
Yet you claim that people choose to share.
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leftysergeant
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Our natural tendancies can be perverted under the influence of society or charismatic personalities. Where a way of life is perverse or natural can be seen in the results.
How's that greed stuff working out for Somalia?
Francesca R
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This is not correct. Arguing for compulsory taxes can be fully consistent with not voluntarily donating the equivalent amount. Indeed compulsory taxes are often rational precisely because voluntary donation is not. See prisoner's dilemma.
bikerdruid
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About as well as anywhere else where local areas are controlled by thugs and warlords. Do you notice that your response to obvious failures of your sharing claim is essentially, "but that doesn't count"?
They could certainly advocate higher tax rates as well, but it is always irritating to see some wealthy person cry that they don't pay enough in taxes when they choose not to pay more. For example, Stephen King was recently whining that he doesn't pay a 50% tax rate. If he is really bothered by that he is welcome to pay a 50% tax rate, no one is stopping him.