Prof. Jones: Thermate on a Chip?

[metamars]

Announcing a discovery: Red/gray bi-layered chips in the WTC dust

http://911blogger.com/node/13090#comment


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Also, Physorg.com has an article entitled

Explosives on a chip

http://www.physorg.com/news117207324.html

This work is still in development, but perhaps similar, non-mass produced technology existed in 2001.

Pictured is a very thin copper plate, with the caption

Copper structure shown here is a precursor material for explosive compounds used in military detonators. The copper structure can be formed on chips, then converted to an explosive compound. The compound is being used to improve US Navy detonator devices.

First paragraph:

Developed by a team of scientists from the Georgia Tech Research Institute (GTRI) and the Indian Head Division of the Naval Surface Warfare Center, the highly-uniform copper structures will be incorporated into integrated circuits – then chemically converted to millimeter-diameter explosives. Because they can be integrated into standard microelectronics fabrication processes, the copper materials will enable micro-electromechanical (MEMS) fuzes for military munitions to be mass-produced like computer chips.

One could see the possible usefulness of a smart detonator. If the firing of the detonator can be controlled by integrated circuit, perhaps the rest of circuit could be made to communicate with a GPS system. The detonator could then be armed if it's location was the desired one, and disarmed otherwise.

In a WTC demolition scenario, I suppose such an integrated circuit could be used to receive radio or other EM radiation signals to detonate, thus enabling remote control.

 

[Apollo20]

Metamars:

Thanks for this information.

I have two comments:

1.When is Prof. Jones going to publish his X-ray spectra so we can all take a closer look at them? Just flashing them up on a slide at a talk is of no real use!

2. So these chips contain Fe, Al, K, Si, and O..... What happened to the S that was so important last time around? And since when is Si an ingredient of thermite/thermate?

 

[slyjoe]

What does Jones' talk have to do with the explosives on a chip article?

There are smart detonators today - doesn't sound like it adds a capability. It just makes the capability smaller and cheaper. This allows the "smart" capability to be put in smaller munitions.

 

[RedIbis]

Metamars:

Thanks for this information.

I have two comments:

1.When is Prof. Jones going to publish his X-ray spectra so we can all take a closer look at them? Just flashing them up on a slide at a talk is of no real use!

2. So these chips contain Fe, Al, K, Si, and O..... What happened to the S that was so important last time around? And since when is Si an ingredient of thermite/thermate?

I tend to stay away from this side of the playground, but Jones does say he submitted his samples to an independent laboratory. Hopefully, these results will be published and we won't be dependent on Jones' spectra alone.

Welcome back, Dr.

 

[Max Photon]

Dumb smart detonators

One could see the possible usefulness of a smart detonator. If the firing of the detonator can be controlled by integrated circuit, perhaps the rest of circuit could be made to communicate with a GPS system. The detonator could then be armed if it's location was the desired one, and disarmed otherwise.

In a WTC demolition scenario, I suppose such an integrated circuit could be used to receive radio or other EM radiation signals to detonate, thus enabling remote control.

Ahem...

If you're looking for a smart detonator, consider plastic tube filled with thermite, and ignited by jet impact.

You can see white flashes from some of the thermite fuse burning in the first 15 seconds or so of this video. At 10 seconds, there is a white flash that travels in a J shape. (A stabilized version of this white flash can also be seen at minute 4:38)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tBNpDOpq3A

The trained eye can see that the bright upward-traveling flash of the burning thermite fuse occurs exactly as one of NIST's coordinated sequence of smoke puffs "reminiscent of of old-fashioned steam-driven pipe-organs" intersects the flash's point of origin.

Remember, NCSTAR 1-5A/9/C says the coordinated smoke puffs, pressure pulses, white glows, metal flows, hanging objects changing positions, and other dramatic phenomena - were all correlated!

Yeah they are correlated. Thermite fuse - ignited by jet impact - linked and ignited planted thermite that was used to heat steel connections, to get floors to sag, and columns to bow inward.


You want a smart detonator? Thermite ignites thermite. And Home Depot's got garden irrigation tubing...

 

[RedIbis]

You want a smart detonator? Thermite ignites thermite. And Home Depot's got garden irrigation tubing...

I know I'm in the wrong sandbox here, but I believe this info, which was posted on 911blogger in an exchange with Dr. Jones, is exactly what you're talking about.

Physorg.com has an article entitled

"Explosives on a chip"

http://www.physorg.com/news117207324.html

This work is still in development, but perhaps similar, non-mass produced technology existed in 2001.

Pictured is a very thin copper plate, with the caption

"Copper structure shown here is a precursor material for explosive compounds used in military detonators. The copper structure can be formed on chips, then converted to an explosive compound. The compound is being used to improve US Navy detonator devices."

First paragraph:

" Developed by a team of scientists from the Georgia Tech Research Institute (GTRI) and the Indian Head Division of the Naval Surface Warfare Center, the highly-uniform copper structures will be incorporated into integrated circuits – then chemically converted to millimeter-diameter explosives. Because they can be integrated into standard microelectronics fabrication processes, the copper materials will enable micro-electromechanical (MEMS) fuzes for military munitions to be mass-produced like computer chips. "

 

[DavidJames]

I know I'm in the wrong sandbox here......but perhaps similar, non-mass produced technology existed in 2001.

Perhaps in the world of CT fantasist's maybe. Keep dreaming Red. Keep hoping. I can only imagine how the CT mind works. Having beliefs, being so sure of so much yet not a shred of evidence, just beliefs. Knowing so little, no related education or experience, relying solely on beliefs.

Perhaps, Red. Keep believing.

 

[RedIbis]

Perhaps in the world of CT fantasist's maybe. Keep dreaming Red. Keep hoping. I can only imagine how the CT mind works. Having beliefs, being so sure of so much yet not a shred of evidence, just beliefs. Knowing so little, no related education or experience, relying solely on beliefs.

Perhaps, Red. Keep believing.

Don't get all worked up. I admitted I don't have the education and experience to get into these highly technical discussions, but I read them and am educated by them. Perhaps, I'm wrong, but I thought this info might support what Max was describing.

No need to be condescending.

 

[Apollo20]

Thanks RedIbis....

I am not questioning Jones' data, I am questioning his interpretation of said data.

You need to take a look at Volume III of the famous "Particle Atlas" by Walter McCrone. This provides scanning electron micrographs and EDX spectra for thousands of common materials. The section from pages 760 - 780 is most interesting since it shows flyash microspheres from large domestic waste incinerators burning paper, wood and plastics as well as flyash from coal-fired furnaces. The EDX spectra show major peaks from Al, Si, K, Ca, and Fe together with smaller peaks from Ti, S and Cl.

Jones' spectra are a perfect match for FLY ASH!

 

[slyjoe]

Thanks for that info Apollo20.

I am still trying to figure out how metamars and redibis link "chips" that Jones described with integrated circuits. The only thing they seem to have in common is the word "chips".

 

[RedIbis]

Thanks RedIbis....

I am not questioning Jones' data, I am questioning his interpretation of said data.

You need to take a look at Volume III of the famous "Particle Atlas" by Walter McCrone. This provides scanning electron micrographs and EDX spectra for thousands of common materials. The section from pages 760 - 780 is most interesting since it shows flyash microspheres from large domestic waste incinerators burning paper, wood and plastics as well as flyash from coal-fired furnaces. The EDX spectra show major peaks from Al, Si, K, Ca, and Fe together with smaller peaks from Ti, S and Cl.

Jones' spectra are a perfect match for FLY ASH!

I'm a bit shocked that I actually understood all of that and you make a very valid point. I'm going to hold my tongue and watch from the sidelines. I hope we agree that these are developments well worth watching. If nothing else, at least someone is researching available materials and now they've been submitted to an independent laboratory. Jones appears to be accepting the possibility that his findings will be refuted. If only NIST would submit to the same challenge.

 

[RedIbis]

Thanks for that info Apollo20.

I am still trying to figure out how metamars and redibis link "chips" that Jones described with integrated circuits. The only thing they seem to have in common is the word "chips".

It has nothing to do with circuits. This is about the copper material that can be mass produced like computer chips or on computer chips. The hypothesis is that the red side might indicate a detonator for a larger charge.

I'm probably mangling all of this, so if you just want to follow Dr. Jones' exchange, please check this:

 

[DavidJames]

No need to be condescending.

Gee, I'm so sorry you feel I was condescending. Please forgive me. Maybe I should just accuse you of criminal neglect as it relates to the murder of 3000 people, you don't seem to have any issues with accusing people of that now do you.

 

[RedIbis]

Gee, I'm so sorry you feel I was condescending. Please forgive me. Maybe I should just accuse you of criminal neglect as it relates to the murder of 3000 people, you don't seem to have any issues with accusing people of that now do you.

I always find righteous indignation to be a lame excuse for incivility.

 

[slyjoe]

It has nothing to do with circuits. This is about the copper material that can be mass produced like computer chips or on computer chips. The hypothesis is that the red side might indicate a detonator for a larger charge.

I'm probably mangling all of this, so if you just want to follow Dr. Jones' exchange, please check this:

Whose hypothesis? Metamars, both in this forum and on 911blogger, pasted the link to the article on chips. What does that have to do with what Jones is discussing?

 

[DavidJames]

I always find righteous indignation to be a lame excuse for incivility.

Gee, I apologized for my appearance of being "condescending". .

Only in the twisted mind of a CTist, is accusing innocent people of complicity in mass murder more "civil", then pointing out that they are doing it.

 

[Pookster]

I always find righteous indignation to be a lame excuse for incivility.

Do you have a better excuse for yours?

 

[T.A.M.]

I'll wait to see this molehill turned into a truther mountain...and then watch it turn to "dust" just like the rest.

TAM

 

[metamars]

Whose hypothesis? Metamars, both in this forum and on 911blogger, pasted the link to the article on chips. What does that have to do with what Jones is discussing?

Jones is discussing a chip, one side of which he believes is thermite.

Let's say it is. How would one used it in a building demolition?

Based on the physorg article, one way may be as a detonator. Indeed, if it's derived from integrated circuit technology, it's reasonable to expect silicon to be found in it. Correct? If so, then one of Greening's concerns may have no merit.

Of course, the devil is in the details. I don't have more details, nor the requisite background, which would allow me to rule out such a possibility or not, or simply make it more or less plausible.

If you do, feel free to post them.

 

[Crazy Chainsaw]

Oh they do have a link to circuit boards just not the link that is proposed here, I found them in my first experiments on how to created the spheres.

Ferric Chloride is the other etchant. It's a reddish-orange colored liquid.

There are other chips naturally formed as well.

It is to be expected that they would be found.

The chemitry is there in the fires to form them.