Problem of Pain

Tsukasa Buddha said:
Ummm... I think it is typically the Problem of Suffering. And it is usually an unjust suffering that does no good.



[woo-voice]Ahhh... But every up quark has a down, and every charm a... strange?[/woo-voice] :p
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Where is a trout when you need one? ;)
 
T'ai Chi said:
For those that don't think very much and ask 'if there is a god(s), then where is there pain??', do you believe that those with CIPA (Congenital insensitivity to pain with anhidrosis, a very rare genetic disorder that makes people unable to feel pain) are better off than those are us able to feel pain?

In fact, it is a world without pain that is hell.

Pain, as much as it is obviously unwanted at times, seems pretty important at times for being able to learn, distinguish between hot and cold, get pleasure, and a variety of other things.
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As already mentioned by others, you are misrepresenting the case. The question "why is there pain" cuite correctly does not make too much sense, and I doubt very many people will ask that in seriousness.

The proper question is: "Why is there suffering?"

Pain is useful and with or without evolution, it is rather obvious why it is there.

The big classical question is, why a supposedly benevolent god would create a situation where a sizeable proportion of mankind, apparantly undeservedly, suffer substantial and prolonged, both literal pain, but also sorrow, frustration, abuse, etc.

Hans
 
Maybe Justin suffers because of Paine.

Damn that 'Organised Sceptical Movement' that so irritates his bowel.

:)
 
You imply that lacking the ability to feel pain means necessarily also lacking the ability to feel pleasure. Is that true?

I'm not familiar with the neurogenesis of the disorder you reference, and from what I know of neuropsych it's certainly possible to have one without the other.

Of course, you're still pretty screwed for the various obvious reasons involving wanton unaware self-destruction, but at least it's something.
 
T'ai Chi said:
For those that don't think very much and ask 'if there is a god(s), then where is there pain??', do you believe that those with CIPA (Congenital insensitivity to pain with anhidrosis, a very rare genetic disorder that makes people unable to feel pain) are better off than those are us able to feel pain?

In fact, it is a world without pain that is hell.

Pain, as much as it is obviously unwanted at times, seems pretty important at times for being able to learn, distinguish between hot and cold, get pleasure, and a variety of other things.
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As someone that does think a lot can you please explain if feeling pain is important, “Why does god punish some people by not allowing them to experience it”.
 
T'ai Chi said:
I think you did, since it all comes back to pain (of various types). We suffer becuase of pain.
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Wrong we suffer because of excessive pain, so why would we be designed to feel pain after its useful period is over? Why does cronic pain exist? That is the issue, not all pain.
 
T'ai Chi said:
I think you did, since it all comes back to pain (of various types). We suffer becuase of pain.
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1)You started this thread with the description of a condition that does not allow an individual to feel physical pain.

2)Many responses ask "Why is there suffering?"

3)You respond and completely ignore emotional "pain".
 
triadboy said:
Pain can be a very, very good thing. It lets you know something is amiss. We don't always suffer because of pain.
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Um, no kidding. I said that very thing already.

The point that people are unable to address is why, when looking at the larger picture, do they still say pain a problem?

If a completely different nerve system was made, one to sense pain things and one to sense non-pain things, they'd probably use that as evidence that a designer was sloppy and inefficient by creating two nervous systems. ;)
 
OK, so it is evident that some people just aren't getting it.

Let's look at the "problem of pain" issue. What, exactly, do you believe is the problem? Do those deny that pain does some good things too?

Would you want to live in a fantasy world of no pain (and therefore ignore all the good sensations too) ?

Isn't your argument mainly emotional?
 
T'ai Chi said:
OK, so it is evident that some people just aren't getting it.

Let's look at the "problem of pain" issue. What, exactly, do you believe is the problem? Do those deny that pain does some good things too?

Would you want to live in a fantasy world of no pain (and therefore ignore all the good sensations too) ?

Isn't your argument mainly emotional?
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I'm not understanding your argument.

Are you really saying that because life is really [rule8] when the nervous system breaks down god made it well?

Because that's how it reads.

There is vast amounts of suffering caused by our imperfect nervous system which is a fair argument against us being built by an all-knowing, all-caring, perfect being.

What exactly is the point you are trying to make?
 
T'ai Chi said:
Let's look at the "problem of pain" issue. What, exactly, do you believe is the problem? Do those deny that pain does some good things too?
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Has anyone in this thread denied that pain is useful?

Would you want to live in a fantasy world of no pain?
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Has anyone in this thread suggested that they do?

Does anyone smell straw?
 
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