Pro vacination links

[geni]

Does anyone have any? The anti-vacination side seem to have a vast number of links they are always looking to throw at you it would be handy to have a few to reply with.

 

[arcticpenguin]

A simple Google search on "vaccination" turns up mostly anti-vaccination sites. Very sad.

Here's a page of links I found at the World Health Organization site.

 

[BTox]

CDC has a wealth of information on the safety, efficacy and social value of vaccination.

cdc immunization site

 

[Eos of the Eons]

http://home.san.rr.com/via/PROVAX/provaxarticles.htm

There's about 25 links on that page. Can't beat that.


http://www.pathguy.com/antiimmu.htm

http://www.show.scot.nhs.uk/thb/mmr/facts.htm#THE FACTS
http://www.geocities.com/healthbase/vaccination.html

http://www.acsh.org/press/releases/vaccines090401.html

There's another ton on this page:
http://www.meddie.com/search/Health/Child_Health/Immunizations/



That should cover most of what you need to know. Any questions

 

[Yahweh]

Not to sound cynical or nothing but...

Why the Hell would anyone be anti-vaccination?

 

[Eos of the Eons]

Homeopaths. Microbes...the existence of microbes....goes against their philosophy. Therefore vaccines are useless poison, or worse...the usuall conspiracy theories.

I have to quote my newest page here...on it you can see all the paranoid idiocy and therefore reasons why homeopaths and cons are anti-vax.


http://www.members.shaw.ca/eostory/Vaccine Quotes.html

http://www.members.shaw.ca/eostory/Vaccinations.html

Then just a simple search on vaccines...you'll find most people against them are selling alternatives...or they are freaked out parents who buy the alternatives.

 

[BTox]

Not to sound cynical or nothing but...

Why the Hell would anyone be anti-vaccination?

People believe vaccinations don't work, weaken/destroy the immune system, cause the disease they are intended to prevent (which can actually happen with a few vaccines, though extremely rare), cause all kinds of other diseases (especially autoimmune), etc, etc. The pet anti-vac crowd is just as vociferous (and looney) as the human.

 

[Eos of the Eons]

People believe vaccinations don't work, weaken/destroy the immune system, cause the disease they are intended to prevent (which can actually happen with a few vaccines, though extremely rare), cause all kinds of other diseases (especially autoimmune), etc, etc. The pet anti-vac crowd is just as vociferous (and looney) as the human.

Yeah, cause there no such thing as AIDS doncha know. It's vaccines that cause AIDS...and according to Lanctot...vaccines cause AIDS to explode in the human body.

And the WHO is in a conspiracy to depopulate the planet, especially third world countries. That's why AIDS is so widespread in Africa doncha know...

Can't you see it? You must be brainwashed by the mainstream...yeah...so you better say you see it or you're brainwashed.

 

[BTox]

Can't you see it? You must be brainwashed by the mainstream...yeah...so you better say you see it or you're brainwashed.

Yep, and meanwhile, countries like the U.K. where vaccination rates have dropped are now bracing for big upswings in measles and other preventable childhood diseases. And the children pay the price of ignorance...

 

[Eos of the Eons]

Yep, and meanwhile, countries like the U.K. where vaccination rates have dropped are now bracing for big upswings in measles and other preventable childhood diseases. And the children pay the price of ignorance...

yeah, why do you think I get so worked up by all this...
#($&#*@)&%)#*$@)$U buttheads are going to make kids pay for their cons, ignorance, greed, misguidance, etc.

One of the links I don't think I posted ....
Some of the articles are from 6 years ago, and it's been an issue that noone has learned to hate quacks enough for.

There is an excellent page on Anti-vaccination arguments here:
http://www.geocities.com/healthbase/vaccination.html
This page includes articles like the one below:



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DESPERATE APPEAL TO PARENTS
Media Release - NSW Health Department, 8 September 1997

NSW Health is pleading with parents to ensure their children are properly immunised following the death of another baby from Whooping Cough.

Six babies have now died of the disease over the last 12 months. The latest death involved a 7-week-old boy from Sydney's West.

This death follows repeated warnings from the Department about the importance of immunisation for children.

"The reality is more babies will die unless we raise immunisation levels," said NSW Health Infectious Diseases Expert Dr Jeremy McAnulty.

"In previous years, about one death from Whooping Cough was reported every 12 months in NSW - six deaths is unacceptable.

"Most of the babies who have died have all been too young to be immunised, but are likely to have been infected by other children who should have been.

"We cannot stress strongly enough how critical immunisation is. Whooping Cough and other childhood diseases can be easily prevented.

"Parents should be aware of the symptoms which include episodes of coughing, which can be followed by a gasp that results in a 'whoop'. Vomiting often follows bouts of coughing."

Dr. McAnulty said if symptoms develop, even adults should visit the family doctor for early treatment and ensure other members of the household take preventative care.

"Whooping Cough is infectious for three weeks, but early diagnosis and antibiotic treatment can stop its spread to others and protect the lives of babies," Dr McAnulty said.

http://www.healthfax.org.au/phu/appealmr.htm

And this Article:

New Study Examines What Motivates Opposition to Immunisation

A new study of print media reportage of anti-immunisation arguments finds that most anti-immunisation claims are best understood as elaborate conspiracy theories and attempts to blame immunisation for all manner of social and medical ills.

An article published this week in the Australian and New Zealand Journal of Public Health finds that anti-immunisationists repeatedly make evidence-free claims that doctors conspire with the government and drug companies to promote vaccines as safe and effective.

One of the study’s authors, Professor Simon Chapman from the University of Sydney, said this sort of argument unfortunately had wide appeal to sections of the community despite leaving unanswered the question of why governments would want to promote something that costs them many millions of dollars every year.

"Doctors often have the mistaken view that parents who oppose immunisation simply need to be be given the correct information and they will change their minds," Professor Chapman said.

"However, one study has shown that after immunisation opponents were given factual information comparing the infinitesimal risks of vaccines to the risks of the diseases vaccines prevent, their opposition actually increased.

"What we are seeing here is not a battle between two legitimate sides of an argument about vaccine safety and effectiveness, but the expression of a deep-seated suspicion of science and modern medicine combined with a need to blame something for poorly understood diseases.

"Anti-immunisationists have sought to blame immunisation for almost every conceivable disease, especially those where the cause is poorly understood. Some of them even blame the crime rate on immunisation.

"In recent years we have seen an increase in their efforts to get their dangerous views publicised in mainstream media," Professor Champman said.

The Australian and New Zealand Journal of Public Health is produced by the Public Health Association of Australia and is the pre-eminent peer-reviewed journal of public health in the southern hemisphere.
19 March 1998

http://www.pha.org.au/issues/immun.htm

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[fishbob]

Why the Hell would anyone be anti-vaccination?

Why the Hell would you be surprised by this?
Some people are gullible, some people are not very smart, some people are just plain nuts. Anti-floridation, homeopathic, Area 51 goobs are everywhere. Look behind you.

 

[geni]

Thanks for the links.

 

[headscratcher4]

My aunt contracted Polio as a child -- back in the late 20s or early 30s. She nearly died and suffered from infantile paralysis all of here life. She was lucky. She lived.

Most of those who complain about vaccines have no idea what the world was like before vaccines. They forget the deaths; they forget the toll of illness on families and on victims.

Vaccines are an imperfect vehicle. Such is medicine. However, the world with vaccines is a hell of a lot better than the world without. The few deaths/illnesses caused by exposure to vaccines are worth the herd security to the vast majority. In this particular case the needs of the many clearly outweigh the concerns of the few...besides, too many who oppose vaccines coast on the immunity of herd and pretend that the problem doesn't exist. They are fools and they will get people killed.

Other than that, I've no strong feelings on the matter....

 

[Deetee]

Does anyone have any? The anti-vacination side seem to have a vast number of links they are always looking to throw at you it would be handy to have a few to reply with.

I've just been reading a good MMR article in the UK magazine "Prescriber" vol 14, 19th November, pp77-82. - "False syllogisms, teddy bears, causality and MMR" by Paula McDonald.

This has a number of good references on the mmr-autism issue.

Try www.escriber.com which is the address given, but I can't link to this from work, so I don't know if you can get the text online.

 

[sickstan]

Consumer Reports has come out on the side of vaccination after reviewing current literature (gotta love CU). They are a voice of calm and objective reason in seas of stupidity and faux science. They have also investigated and confirmed our skeptical stances on power lines, cell phones & brain cancer, milk iz bad 4 u, and vitamin supplementation.

 

[Suezoled]

Sure, and when I worked at a vet clinic, I would rather have gotten rabies than the 3 innoculations and mild fever I suffered before I began to work there, and the 1 booster thereafter every couple years. No, really, I would rather have been bitten by a rabid dog and suffered horribly and DIED than prevented an easily preventable scenario. Or gotten all those extra shots AFTER I got bitten. Yeah. Because vaccines are bad.

Excuse me.... I have the urge to check and make sure my Hep B and tetanus is up to date....

 

[arcticpenguin]

4 child flu deaths in Colorado

Remember, by getting vaccinated you are not only protecting yourself, you are reducing the likelihood of an epidemic that could hurt others, including those too young to be vaccinated.

 

[Eos of the Eons]

Wonderful links, thank you. I think I'm starting to see hope for some sanity out there in the ocean of kukka floating around the world. I'm grateful to see the posts here.

I love Suez's sarcasm

for some more, just because I can't resist:

Most of those who complain about vaccines have no idea what the world was like before vaccines. They forget the deaths; they forget the toll of illness on families and on victims.

No no no! That's a lie! It's scare tactics...Polio was irradicated by better sewage systems and clean water, not vaccines..vaccines are the only things that cause polio...doncha know. Don't listen to that mainstream propoganda! Drug companies are profitting from the vaccines and you're falling for it hook line and sinker...blah blah blah....

(gag me with Uri's spoon)

 

[Rolfe]

4 child flu deaths in Colorado

There have been four child deaths from flu in Scotland too, and people are a bit worried. We don't vaccinate kids, only the elderly and health workers, but the deaths have sparked a debate about whether children ought to be included in the vaccination regime.

Problem is, with all these antivaccination woo-woos around, there's a significant danger that that government (or the executive, I'm not sure if this is a devolved matter or not) might see it as too hot a potato and duck the issue.

Rolfe.

 

[geni]

There have been four child deaths from flu in Scotland too, and people are a bit worried. We don't vaccinate kids, only the elderly and health workers, but the deaths have sparked a debate about whether children ought to be included in the vaccination regime.

4 deaths in an unvacinated population is extreamly boaderline. Particulary as there is no chance of perminatly wiping out the desease. The time when vacination will be needed big time is the next outbreak of spanish flu.