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Prius a gas guzzler compared to BMW 520d

Ummm.....

Let's see. The inefficiency of dual propulsion systems is most evident with a larger car, such as those described in the article. OOppss, that inefficiency is still there with a smaller car, eg., Prius. BMW 520d shows this up quite nicely.

Now, why don't we have combo boats-cars or combo airplane-cars? Hmm...dual design points, dual propulsion systems...Bad Idea?
 
Unless you look at the bottom line. The BMW cost three times as much.

Really? Was this intended as hyperbole? In the UK at any rate, the prius costs around £17k and the BMW £26k (prices from new car supermarkets for 2008 model). Sure, the BM is a big chunk more, but nowhere near three times the price!
 
http://driving.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/driving/used_car_reviews/article3552994.ece

Looks like a valid comparison between the cars. Prius seriously loses!

A challenge: to drive a Prius to Geneva using motorways and town driving. The direct route is 460 miles but we drove almost 100 miles further to give the Prius the advantage of running in urban conditions where its petrol-electric drivetrain comes into its own. We took along a conventionally powered car – a diesel BMW executive saloon – for comparison and drove both cars an identical number of miles (545).

You seriously misrepresent what was being tested here.

The BMW doesn’t have the external look of a green car and you don’t get the same self-righteous glow when you are driving it. There’s no hybrid badge on the back; in fact, because it’s the entry level car of the 5-series many buyers opt for “badge delete” so they don’t show other motorists they went for the cheapest option at £27,190.
But it does have a few tricks up its sleeve to conserve fuel. Efficient Dynamics, as BMW refers to its fuel-saving technology, is a term coined by Bavarian marketing men for refinements that taken on their own are nothing spectacular but together improve fuel economy. Rather than Toyota’s big idea – a radically different system of powering a car using a petrol-electric drivetrain – BMW has sunk its research effort into lots of less radical things.
The most important of these is the new four-cylinder engine. It’s available in the 3-series but here it’s perfectly at home in the bigger 5-series saloon where it generates a surprising 177bhp. Surprising because it’s only 1995cc and it sips fuel. Combined fuel consumption is – officially – 55.4mpg and emissions are 136g/km, which puts it into tax band C. That’s respectable for its size, especially when you consider that 13 cabinet ministers are driven in cars with tax band F – the second highest bracket – and one, we don’t know who, has a band G car.
Various other features of the new BMW contribute to its frugality. It’s got better aerodynamics to reduce drag; low rolling resistance tyres; and a dashboard gauge that gives you a continuous fuel consumption readout so you know when to change gear.

The Prius is now ten years old. BMW have done a lot of research into making a diesel engine and the car that uses it much more fuel efficient. Guess what? Their R&D has paid off, the car gets "Surprising because it’s only 1995cc and it sips fuel. Combined fuel consumption is – officially – 55.4mpg". That's right, it's only a 2 litre engine, and it gets 55mpg. For all the whinging we get about cutting CO2 emissions is going to kill the economy, it turns out R&D can deliver significant reductions in CO2 emissions, and not affect lifestyle.
 
This is really a case of unintended consequences. A lot of people demand action on CO2 emissions, but most of the demands are actually rather less effective than people realise - whether it be cars that aren't actually as good as claimed, wind farms that produce rather less power than their original design said they would, or biofuels which don't really save much in the way of CO2 but can have land use change consequence and possible food price consequence.

Sometimes the populist, fashionable, knee-jerk reactions to perceived problems turn out to be not to be so good in the cold light of simple, rational analysis.

The unintended consequence is global warming caused by CO2 content increasing in the atmosphere.
 
English pricing
BMW Saloon - LIST PRICE: £25,925 - £65,250
PRIUS ...... - LIST PRICE: £17,777 - £20,677

American pricing
BMW Base MSRP: $58,500
Prius Base MSRP: $21,100 - $26,275

Wow. Convert English price for Prius to dollars
Base price $35,699!!! I had no idea.

Something fishy here. And it isn't easy to get a price from BMW on their website.

http://www.carsdirect.com/
http://www.evecars.com
 
Are you saying R&D stops after production starts?

The sticker MPG doesn't mean a thing. Real world driving does.

A Volkswagen Golf Diesel routinely gets 50+ MPG hwy. 1984 Dodge Colt 45. I know, have had both. Hybrids are overrated. It may not always be that way, but for now it's a "it makes me feel good" purchase. The only way one can hope they recover the extra cost is through......subsidies (consumer welfare).

Technology moves forward without mandates, and auto companies are not bottomless pits of money. I doubt 1% of the population understand just how much it costs to design and manufacture a car let alone continually meet new regulations.


You seriously misrepresent what was being tested here.



The Prius is now ten years old. BMW have done a lot of research into making a diesel engine and the car that uses it much more fuel efficient. Guess what? Their R&D has paid off, the car gets "Surprising because it’s only 1995cc and it sips fuel. Combined fuel consumption is – officially – 55.4mpg". That's right, it's only a 2 litre engine, and it gets 55mpg. For all the whinging we get about cutting CO2 emissions is going to kill the economy, it turns out R&D can deliver significant reductions in CO2 emissions, and not affect lifestyle.
 
Prius loses (just) to new fuel efficient technology from BMW. Prius still easily beats GM and Ford hybrids.

GM and Ford took a fairly bad idea, or arguably one that was good for start and stop city traffic, and made it really stupid.
 
Prius loses (just) to new fuel efficient technology from BMW. Prius still easily beats GM and Ford hybrids.

Umm, GM and Ford hybrids are geared toward a different market segment than Prius.

Not everyone wants (or needs) to drive a butt ugly death trap that would struggle to tow a baby buggy.

Believe it or not, car companies really do build vehicles the public wants, not what some government bureaucrat or environmentalist tells them they should.
 
Umm, GM and Ford hybrids are geared toward a different market segment than Prius.

Not everyone wants (or needs) to drive a butt ugly death trap that would struggle to tow a baby buggy.

AwW...

Some of these people like those cutesy lil Prius wheels.

Like, they might have just came off a baby buggy.
 
How did the Prius seriously lose? Why is it a gas guzzler in this test. It got nearly the same fuel economy as the diesel. Given the test done, that's excellent for the Prius.

Diesel is still too expensive in the US. Even if we accept that review as is, the Prius wins hands down here due to the price of diesel fuel being some 30-40% higher.
 
GM is taking a good step. The Malibu LTZ will be offered with the 4 cylinder engine and the 6 speed auto. That's the luxury model with the small engine and the best transmission. I have been waiting for someone to do that for a while. You normally have to take the big engine to get the luxury model and the good trans.
 
Uh, the BMW is diesel. Diesel isn't gasoline. You're comparing apples and oranges here.
 
Even if we accept that review as is, the Prius wins hands down here due to the price of diesel fuel being some 30-40% higher.

Current USA prices.

•National, diesel: $3.71
•National, unleaded gasoline: $3.19

A 16% premium.
 
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Hmm, well.... The fact I have a source for the numbers certainly doesn't mean it is (right, up to date, average of all gallons, average of polled retail stations).
 

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