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Presidential Primaries 2016

hgc, I'm not sure, but this has to be some sort of violation of TOS! ;)

But Elizabeth Warren should be on the Dem list.
 
No. No No No No No.

Let us sleep in, just this once. It was a rough night. Wake me up in six months.

Come back and join us any time. We'll be here for about 3 and half years. And, get some sleep. You deserve it.
 
hgc, I'm not sure, but this has to be some sort of violation of TOS! ;)

But Elizabeth Warren should be on the Dem list.

There are no hard-and-fast rules. I like to add people to the list as they are mentioned in mentionsphere, or are plainly obvious possibles. I hadn't thought of E. Warren in this regard. Let's see if she starts getting mentioned.
 
Powell wants nothing to do with a campaign. His wife has already had 1 nervous breakdown and I don't think he's super healthy either.

I think Condaleeza Rice should be cosnidered. The problem is, she is not super Christian enough for the (free)base and her association with the bush admin probably taints her.

although, I could get hyped about some kind of Rice/Huntsman ticket.
 
There are no hard-and-fast rules. I like to add people to the list as they are mentioned in mentionsphere, or are plainly obvious possibles. I hadn't thought of E. Warren in this regard. Let's see if she starts getting mentioned.

I'm hurt! You're saying my mention doesn't count?

Then I submit:

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Elizabeth-Warren-for-President-2016/104694622899318

http://www.elizabethwarrenforpresident.com/

ETA: And I expect mention to be made before too long of the possibility in a Doonesbury strip--which is pretty much the center of the mentionosphere!
 
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I want this guy.

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Sorry, you can't have him. You gots your constitution; that hairy mop has to be attached to a pumpkin-shaped head that was born in America. Like this:

donald-trump-picture-3.jpg
 
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There are no hard-and-fast rules. I like to add people to the list as they are mentioned in mentionsphere, or are plainly obvious possibles. I hadn't thought of E. Warren in this regard. Let's see if she starts getting mentioned.
Warren was the first name I thought of, followed by O'Malley and Cuomo.

And then there's this guy....
 
What about Julian Castro, mayor of San Antonio. A Dem pulling in Texas could shake things up a bit too.
 
What about Julian Castro, mayor of San Antonio. A Dem pulling in Texas could shake things up a bit too.

He is a strong possibility I think, but needed a more national stage during this election to have been a front runner for 2016. If he holds up I think he might make a better 2020 or 2024 run, especially as Texas starts to swing less conservative. I think 2014 will still be too soon for a Democratic candidate to take a popular win in Texas for Senate, Governor or Lt. Governor which are the three seats that really could propell him.
 
Chris Christie is no longer a contender, now that we all know he's Bruce Springsteen's blood slave.
 
Future potential candidates is one of the reasons that this election is hardly the doomsday scenario for the Republicans that some are making it out to be. The Democrats have four years to work on it, but right now the Republicans have a much stronger group of up and comers.

The GOP has a lot of problems but they are not catastrophic, the party needs to make some changes, as far as 2016 is concerned, the question is whether or not they can make them by then or need another election loss or two as encouragement.

If its internal power brokers play this smart they can turn a short term loss into long term improvements. Even had Romney won changing demographics would still be a big problem for them. With the loss they may be more encouraged to make some changes sooner than later. Big government social conservatism has tipped to the point of being a loser in a national election and will continue to become a bigger and bigger loser as older generations die off. Small government and fiscal responsibility can still get votes. They need to embrace and promote their up and comers who promote those views and sideline the social conservative aspects of their platform. For example, it is only a matter of time before gay marriage is legal throughout the country. Younger voters tend to be for it or indifferent about it, opposing it will hurt more and more as they replace the aging crotchety Christian conservatives the Republicans got in bed with. Likewise, abortion will increasingly harm them and presidents can't overturn the Supreme Court anyway so they will continue to have less and less reason to be outspoken about it. Which isn't to say they have to embrace things like gay marriage, they just have to stop being actively against it.

While it seems unlikely they will do it, the short-term smart move for them is to accept a repeal of the Bush tax cut on the the top income bracket and then dig in their heals on any attempts to raise the capital gains tax and/or corporate tax rate. They can make a stronger economic argument about not raising those taxes, look somewhat willing to compromise and limit the effectiveness of criticism about them being the party of the rich. Then they need to embrace some sort of immigration reform that will appeal to Hispanic voters. Their hillbilly constituents might not like it but the GOP needs to spread its brand amongst more non-white males.

Then they need their crop of up and comers to become very visible via press conferences, news show interviews etc hammering away at the fiscal irresponsibility of Washington while not saying a peep about social conservative issues. They should also make sure that non-white male party members like Susana Martinez are included in this. It may be cynical to feature them in such a manner but would be far less obvious than inviting them for token appearances at conventions and they need to make clear that a platform about smaller government and fiscal responsibility is not a white person (and white male in particular) platform.

The party is going to get shaken up some in the coming years, the question is how quickly relatively new faces like Christie, Rubio and Martinez can take control. It was the old guard that embraced the more divisive messages of the party, if they get to control another election they will lose then too, if the up and comers take over they will be more pragmatic as a collective group at least about this. Another thing to consider is that the various monied entities that bankroll the GOP will get sick of financing losing campaigns if it continues. If the Republicans are really owned by corporations as is often alleged they would be wise to put pressure on the GOP to open the tent up and drop the divisive socially conservative rhetoric.

But, of course, the 2016 election will largely be about Obama's second term regardless of if it is fair to the candidates or not. If the economy is doing very well it may not matter what they do and if the economy is still performing poorly the electorate will probably be tired of hearing about how it is all Bush's fault.
 
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I agree with Respect on the Republican's future outlook. They are in a potentially good position for the future if they learn the correct lessons and adapt to the changing state of the culture and demographics. There are a number of solid Republican personalities who largely stayed out of this race. If the party can convince their base that a degree of compromise is acceptable and quiet up about losing social issues they can make a huge impact on the electorate. Essentially, they need to reembrace a moderate stance for the Presidency and in non-conservative parts of the country. The more conservative elements will not disappear, any more than the more liberal elements did not disappear among the Democratic lean to the center. The structure is already there, the base just needs to find this acceptable. I think the Republican response to the Puerto Rico question is going to go a long way to reveal how easy this will be in the upcoming years.
 
I could see myself, while not supporting it, at least thinking that a Christie/Huntsman ticket would be a good GOP win.

I am torn between wanting a sensible, reasonable and rational GOP ticket (Huntsman, Christie etc.) and having either team be a decent result or having a totally lunatic whackjob no chance of winning GOP ticket (Palin, Bachmann, Santorum, Trump etc.) so the Dems get a shoehorn.
 
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I could see myself, while not supporting it, at least thinking that a Christie/Huntsman ticket would be a good GOP win.

I am torn between wanting a sensible, reasonable and rational GOP ticket (Huntsman, Christie etc.) and having either team be a decent result or having a totally lunatic whackjob no chance of winning GOP ticket (Palin, Bachmann, Santorum, Trump etc.) so the Dems get a shoehorn.

Huntsman will never get near the national ticket after his dismal primary showing this time. Trump will never run. (He's not THAT stupid. Close but not quite.) And Palin is WAY past her sell by date.
 
GOP
P. Ryan, representative from WI Too much a loser
C. Christie, governor of NJ Too Fat
M. Rubio, senator from FL Too Cuban
J. Bush, former governor of FL Too Bush
M. Bachmann, representative from MN Too Crazy
M. Romney, former governor of MA Too Bad
S. Palin, former half-term governor of AK Too irrelevant
M. Huckabee, former governor of AR Too Crazy Two
T. Pawlenty, former governor of MN Too bland
J. Thune, senator from SD Who?
S. Walker, governor of WI Too divisive
D. Trump, President of Never Gonna Run for President Too Bald
R. Paul (le fils), senator from KY Aqua Buddha says no
J. DeMint, senator from SC Too southern
N. Haley, governor of SC Too radical
 
H. Clinton, Sec. of State Too Old
J. Biden, Vice President Too Old, Too
M. Warner, senator from VA Maybe
M. O’Malley, governor of MD Maybe
A. Klobuchar, senator from MN Mn, eh!
C. Booker, mayor of Newark, NJ Not Obama
A. Villagairosa, mayor of Los Angeles, CA No.
B. Schweitzer, governor of MT No
K. Gillibrand, senator from NY No New Yorkers
A. Cuomo, governor of NY Same.
R. Emmanuel, mayor of Chicago, IL Too abrasive
 
It seems that Elizabeth Warren, Senator-elect from MA and Condoleeza Rice, former Sec. State are getting lots of mention. Welcome to the party!

GOP
P. Ryan
C. Christie
M. Rubio
J. Bush
M. Bachmann
M. Romney
S. Palin (fading fast, get her while she lasts)
M. Huckabee
T. Pawlenty
J. Thune
S. Walker
D. Trump, President of Never Gonna Run for President
R. Paul (le fils)
J. DeMint
N. Haley
S. Martinez
R. Santorum
M. Pence
C. Rice

Dem
H. Clinton
J. Biden
M. Warner
M. O’Malley
A. Klobuchar
C. Booker
A. Villaraigosa
B. Schweitzer
K. Gillibrand
A. Cuomo
R. Emmanuel
M. Cantwell
E. Warren

Indeterminate
M. Bloomberg, mayor of New York, NY
 

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