Presidential Primaries 2012

If the country is so messed up in 3 years that the Republicans nominate another Bush as their answer on how to fix it...:eek:
 
I've been consistently impressed with Huckabee's speaking ability and capacity to come off as sincere. He's bat-**** insane, but then I think that about the overwhelming majority of Republican politicians.
 
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Policenaut said:
http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/02/27/gop.poll/index.html

Top three so far are: Palin, Huckabee, and Romney. Romney probably won't run so it's between Palin and Huckabee. Of those two I think Huckers has a better chance.
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I was thinking that Romney is a shoo-in to try again. Why do you say he won't?

As for Palin, I suspect that the mandarins of the party, outside the Limbaugh (faux populist ignorati) - Kristol (neocon) axis, will do move mountains to try to sink her candidacy.
 
hgc said:
I was thinking that Romney is a shoo-in to try again. Why do you say he won't?

As for Palin, I suspect that the mandarins of the party, outside the Limbaugh (faux populist ignorati) - Kristol (neocon) axis, will do move mountains to try to sink her candidacy.
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Romney won a straw poll at CPAC.
 
Well he might run again but after the trouncing he got last time around I don't think he'll try in '12. He might be the best chance the GOP has if he is really the economic genius everyone says he is and the economy is still in the ******* in four years. But unless there really is a wasteland of candidates I think he'd lose in the primaries again. He is a mormon above all else to the base and I don't think he would get the support he needs from them.
 
Policenaut said:
He is a mormon above all else to the base and I don't think he would get the support he needs from them.
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As I said once in this thread, it is a myth that his Mormonism alienated the Christian base of the party. In reality, he had a solid lock on the evangelist wing.

He hardly suffered a trouncing. He had strong victories in notable states.
 
It is with great pleasure that I add the name of Michael Steele to this list of potential presidential contenders for 2012. Though it's kind of, um, wierd for a current party chairman to talk about him/herself as a potential candidate for high office, Mr. Steele doesn't seem to know the meaning of propriety.

GOP
S. Palin (a colossus bestrides the world)
W. "M." Romney
M. Huckabee
N. Gingrich
B. Jindal (something called "governor")
T. Pawlenty
K. Bailey Hutchison
M. Sanford
D. Patreus
T. Ridge (abortion position update alert!!!)
J. DeMint
C. Crist (here's a hint: teh gay)
R. Paul
A. Keyes
J. Bush
R. Giuliani
D. Hunter (my candidate for Next Serial Retread)
J. Huntsman
M. Steele

Dem
B. Obama
 
I would not be surprised if somebody from the left wing of the Democrats challenges Obama as being too "centrists". That seems to be common for both parties.
 
Undesired Walrus said:
As I said once in this thread, it is a myth that his Mormonism alienated the Christian base of the party. In reality, he had a solid lock on the evangelist wing.

He hardly suffered a trouncing. He had strong victories in notable states.
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Romney did have problems with the "born again" crowd. You can see it in the exit polling; both he and McCain did worse among evangelicals than they did among the heathens. By a large margin, the candidate of the evangelicals was Huckabee; unfortunately he couldn't get anybody else to vote for him, which doomed him when he got outside of the Bible Belt. Romney did win 11 states, but by far the biggest (in population) was Michigan, the state where he grew up and where his father was a popular governor. The next biggest was Massachusetts, his home state. Romney did not win anywhere in the South, or even finish second there except for Florida; his best finish in the South otherwise was a close third in Georgia.
 
Brainster said:
Romney did have problems with the "born again" crowd. You can see it in the exit polling; both he and McCain did worse among evangelicals than they did among the heathens. By a large margin, the candidate of the evangelicals was Huckabee; unfortunately he couldn't get anybody else to vote for him, which doomed him when he got outside of the Bible Belt. Romney did win 11 states, but by far the biggest (in population) was Michigan, the state where he grew up and where his father was a popular governor. The next biggest was Massachusetts, his home state. Romney did not win anywhere in the South, or even finish second there except for Florida; his best finish in the South otherwise was a close third in Georgia.
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I like Mitt's chances for the nomination. I think the reaction against the know-nothing religious nutter wing of the party (party of Palin-Jindal-Huckabee-Sanford) will coalesce around him, as long as Newt stays out.
 
hgc said:
I like Mitt's chances for the nomination. I think the reaction against the know-nothing religious nutter wing of the party (party of Palin-Jindal-Huckabee-Sanford) will coalesce around him, as long as Newt stays out.
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It all depends on how strong/weak Obama looks around November of next year, when people will start gearing up for the election on the GOP side. Palin/Jindal/Huck can all afford to wait to 2016 if Obama looks strong as they're still fairly young. Romney has to take the chance while he can, and this time he will arguably be going in as the guy whose turn it is, which counts for a lot in Republican circles.

If Obama looks weak the competition will likely be too tough for Romney, especially with his noted problem among evangelicals. Of course the problem for the GOP is that things can change a lot in two years (i.e., between November 2010 and November 2012); one of the reasons Bush I faced Bill Clinton in 1992 and not Sam Nunn or Mario Cuomo (much bigger names in the Democratic Party at the time) was because everybody thought Bush was unbeatable after the first Gulf War, and so he got the Democrats' second stringers.

As a moderate Republican, I actually preferred the old Romney, but I can understand why he felt he couldn't run that way because of the dynamics facing him in 2008 with two strong moderate Republicans (Giuliani and McCain) in the field.
 
Brainster said:
Romney did have problems with the "born again" crowd. You can see it in the exit polling; both he and McCain did worse among evangelicals than they did among the heathens. By a large margin, the candidate of the evangelicals was Huckabee; unfortunately he couldn't get anybody else to vote for him, which doomed him when he got outside of the Bible Belt. Romney did win 11 states, but by far the biggest (in population) was Michigan, the state where he grew up and where his father was a popular governor. The next biggest was Massachusetts, his home state. Romney did not win anywhere in the South, or even finish second there except for Florida; his best finish in the South otherwise was a close third in Georgia.
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Huckabee did have the best joke of the whole campaign:

I'm from Hope, Arkansas, you may have heard of it. All I'm asking is, give us one more chance.​
 
Dr Adequate said:
Huckabee did have the best joke of the whole campaign:

I'm from Hope, Arkansas, you may have heard of it. All I'm asking is, give us one more chance.​
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Don't underestimate this guy. He needs a strong tailwind like Reagan to get into office, but if it comes, he could be unstoppable. His problem is that he has to find a way to connect outside the Bible Belt. He's not likely to be my first choice in the GOP field in 2012, or even my second. But he's definitely worth keeping an eye on. He has enormous personal charm.
 
Is is just me, or is Michael Steele a one man cluster****?
 
I want a Palin/Steele ticket, or Jindal/Palin.

The party that best reaches out to non-Euro-Americans and women has the best chance of sealing the deal. They are a more identifiable voting block, and more numerous than the religious wacks.

Either P/S or J/P will keep them all firmly in the Democratic column.
 
leftysergeant said:
I want a Palin/Steele ticket, or Jindal/Palin.

The party that best reaches out to non-Euro-Americans and women has the best chance of sealing the deal. They are a more identifiable voting block, and more numerous than the religious wacks.

Either P/S or J/P will keep them all firmly in the Democratic column.
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So, a non-Euro/woman Republican ticket would have the least appeal to non-Euros and women?
 
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