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Predction: Trump will be pardoned by Biden if he wins

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Biden sent a great big signal with the his statements to the press about is candidcy being about "healing" and "reconciliation". Nowhere in his statements is he talking about seeking justice for the treasonous crimes comitted by the regime.

I could be wrong. I hope I am. But the ticket is solidly Centrist, and the convention only gave progressive voices one real speaker who got short changed on time.

I will really be holding my nose to vote Blue this year. But Trump is on the verge of snuffing out American Democracy altogether and has to be stopped.
 
No, Trump won't be pardoned. I doubt Trump will see prison however.
 
ChristianProgressive said:
Biden sent a great big signal with the his statements to the press about is candidcy being about "healing" and "reconciliation". Nowhere in his statements is he talking about seeking justice for the treasonous crimes comitted by the regime.

I could be wrong. I hope I am. But the ticket is solidly Centrist, and the convention only gave progressive voices one real speaker who got short changed on time.

I will really be holding my nose to vote Blue this year. But Trump is on the verge of snuffing out American Democracy altogether and has to be stopped.
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If he does pardon Trump, you can kiss the chance of democracy ever happening in the US. Because both parties will have solidly signalled that they want to perpetuate the current system of government, "of the rich, for the rich and by the rich".
 
shemp said:
Trump's lawyers will drag any criminal charges against him out for so long that he'll die of being a fat old turd before there's any chance to put him away.
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Honestly if Biden wins in November I don't see Trump making it to the end of 2021.

If Trumps wins he'll keep going on pure hate and spite for the rest of his second term.

As to allegations against Biden, the double standards have already been so well established I don't see the Trumpers losing any sleep over the fact that their leader has openly bragged about more stuff then Biden has even be accused of. It won't bother them in the least.
 
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Stacyhs said:
I see that as far more likely than Biden pardoning Trump. The question is when? January 19, 2021?
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Yeah last minute, if it happens at all.

Legally/Constitutionally speaking I have no idea how a "Blanket pardon for stuff you know Trump isn't going to admit was wrong/illegal" is going to work.

Still don't see it likely. Trump doesn't need a pardon. The Left up in arms works in his favor.
 
JoeMorgue said:
Yeah last minute, if it happens at all.

Legally/Constitutionally speaking I have no idea how a "Blanket pardon for stuff you know Trump isn't going to admit was wrong/illegal" is going to work.

Still don't see it likely. Trump doesn't need a pardon. The Left up in arms works in his favor.
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Still, Pence can only pardon him for federal crime. He's still on the hook for state crimes and I can see NY going after him full throttle.
 
Stacyhs said:
... Pence can only pardon him for federal crime. He's still on the hook for state crimes ...
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Yes.

In addition, the act of pardoning Trump for things he's done implicitly says that the pardoner believes Trump broke the law, and in accepting the pardon Trump is implicitly confirming that he knows what he did was illegal. That's something Trump would probably prefer not to admit.

But the larger problem for Trump is that if he is pardoned for those crimes he can no longer plead the 5th amendment in relation to what he knows about those crimes. And even if Trump can't be convicted of those crimes after he's been pardoned for them, those crimes still need to be investigated so we as a nation can understand better what happened and make sure it doesn't happen again and so that any others who were involved in these crimes can be tried and brought to justice. So once Trump has been pardoned for his crimes it will make very good sense to call Donald Trump in before congressional committees and before grand juries to tell in detail what he knows about the actions by himself and others in these matters.

If he doesn't testify he's guilty of contempt and can be locked up; if he does testify but doesn't testify truthfully he's guilty of perjury and can be locked up; and if he does testify and testifies truthfully a lot of his associates including family members are looking at some serious fines and jail time.
 
Only if Trump does something meaningful in return, like donating a ton of money to immigration causes and admits to certain crimes.

I don't think anyone will in the establishment will stand up for Trump when he is out of office. In fact, we will be flooded with government workers crying out their hard how horrible the Trump years have been, including Republicans.
 
Please pardon an ignorant foreigners question about this. At the present time, or until he is actually convicted of something, what can he actually be pardoned from?


And if, and when, he is finally convicted of something or other, which could take years given the USA "justice" system, would there be still any point to the whole idea?


Norm
 
fromdownunder said:
Please pardon an ignorant foreigners question about this. At the present time, or until he is actually convicted of something, what can he actually be pardoned from?


And if, and when, he is finally convicted of something or other, which could take years given the USA "justice" system, would there be still any point to the whole idea?


Norm
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He can be pardoned for anything, even if he is never indicted of anything.

And yes, it would make absolute sense to have a long court case if it ends up in painful sentences - becoming President solely for the purpose of personnel benefit can not be allowed to be rewarded.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
He can be pardoned for anything, even if he is never indicted of anything.
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If true, doesn't that strike anybody as a rather stupid justice system? Getting pardoned for a crime you were not prosecuted for, so, as far as the legal system is concerned, never happened?



Norm
 
The Great Zaganza said:
He can be pardoned for anything, even if he is never indicted of anything.

And yes, it would make absolute sense to have a long court case if it ends up in painful sentences - becoming President solely for the purpose of personnel benefit can not be allowed to be rewarded.
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Yes and no. He would have to be pardoned at the State and Federal levels. Pence if he becomes President could pardon Trump for any and all crimes against the United States. But Trump could easily be prosecuted for crimes against various States most probably the state of New York. That would require Cuomo to issue a pardon. Not likely.
 
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fromdownunder said:
If true, doesn't that strike anybody as a rather stupid justice system? Getting pardoned for a crime you were not prosecuted for, so, as far as the legal system is concerned, never happened?



Norm
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acbytesla is right, of course: a President can only pardon Federal Crimes.

But the thing about Pardons is that you have to accept guilt to make a Pardon work - so it is not like the crime never happened, it is just that it won't have any consequences.
There is a distinction there, if you squint hard enough.
 
fromdownunder said:
Please pardon an ignorant foreigners question about this. At the present time, or until he is actually convicted of something, what can he actually be pardoned from?


And if, and when, he is finally convicted of something or other, which could take years given the USA "justice" system, would there be still any point to the whole idea?


Norm
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From Nixon's pardon:
Now, THEREFORE, I, GERALD R. FORD, President of the United States, pursuant to the pardon power conferred upon me by Article II, Section 2, of the Constitution, have granted and by these presents do grant a full, free, and absolute pardon unto Richard Nixon for all offenses against the United States which he, Richard Nixon, has committed or may have committed or taken part in during the period from January 20, 1969 through August 9,1974.
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https://www.fordlibrarymuseum.gov/library/speeches/740061.asp

Nixon didn't have to admit to anything and was pardoned for everything that he was known to have done, or might subsequently be found to have done.
 
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