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Bob Klase said:
Okay, but let's try to deconstruct it a little more accurately:
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Accuracy doesn't seem to be your forte.
BK:Really, how old are you?
[bk:]That's a question (generally indicated by a question mark at the end), not a prediction.
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It seemed to me you thought I was young. Maybe I misinterpreted your questioning I was young and foolish.
The next paragraphs I have had to skip because you are answering your own posts. (That's unusual because I wouldn't usually interact with people who talk to themselves. I've made an exception for you.)

That's a statement of the type of comments I hear that have similarities to yours. Unless you have mental abilities that would qualify for the MDC you have no basis to claim that I don't know what kind of comments I hear. Still no predictions.
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Wow, I'm the last guy who would claim mental abilities nor expect someone to predict I expect to have them. You really suck at this predicting what I am about thing.

That's a statement about the kind of people I hear those comments from. Again, if you think you're qualified to disagree than you should be submitting an application for the MDC. Still looking for what you claim is a prediction.
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You have an unhealthy obsession with the MDC. Your continuously bringing it up is very odd. Don't make me hit the panic (also known as "report") button.
 
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Senex said:
The next paragraphs I have had to skip because you are answering your own posts.
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Nice tactic. You misrepresent what I wrote and when I show you exactly what I wrote and how it's not what you claim (predictions) you really have no answer.

Senex said:
You really suck at this predicting what I am about thing.
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Since you apparently you just can't stop being dishonest about what I wrote there's not much left to discuss.

Senex said:
You have an unhealthy obsession with the MDC.
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And it appears that you have a problem being honest.

Senex said:
Your continuously bringing it up is very odd. Don't make me hit the panic (also known as "report") button.
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Hit the report button anytime you feel like it.
 
Hey Bob Klase,

You have followed me into the realm of idiocy. You said something I overreacted to and you overreacted to that and now we are in full battle. I like to have heated discussions but this isn't the place or the topic. I'll take the blame. I baited you (but you did take it :rolleyes: )

I'm not dishonest and you don't fail as much at predictions as I accussed you of :rolleyes:

Anyway, the point is I apologize. We're really not fighting over the merits of self-working card tricks. We're fighting over who can fight better. I started it and I'll end it by saying sorry. We diminish ourself and the conjurer's corner by fighting.

Reno,

If you like card tricks there are gimmicked decks that can make you look like god's gift to card magic. If you have a vice and a plain in your garage you can taper a deck and perform a four ace trick Dai Vernon couldn't reproduce (of course he would never touch a gimmicked deck).
 
Senex,

You're right. We both got carried away. I'm sorry we got out of hand.

Senex said:
If you have a vice and a plain in your garage you can taper a deck and perform a four ace trick Dai Vernon couldn't reproduce (of course he would never touch a gimmicked deck).
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I can't resist mentioning that Vernon is generally credited with inventing Brainwave.
 
Bob Klase said:
I can't resist mentioning that Vernon is generally credited with inventing Brainwave.
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I happen to have a book called "The Stars of Magic" copyright 1975. Vernon exposes his famous 4 aces trick and it was never safer in my hands. Who can pull all those sleights off? Good for him contributing something I can actually perform (and you too Reno) this deck can perform miracles.
 
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I can do basic juggling with a few tricks, but only with three balls - I'm working on clubs and four balls. I have also taught myself a number of basic card tricks - some self-working, some not (I don't share Senex's criticism of self-working card tricks; much of it is in the presentation). My best card trick is a variation on the Sly Stebbins technique and it never fails to astonish my classes when I do it as a lesson in critical thinking. In addition, I can perform basic sleights, palms, etc and I also work these into various classroom demos. Also, two words: thumb tip - anyone who wants to learn an impressive variety of tricks should invest in one of those.
 
Reno said:
I have surprisingly small hands and find palming cards, coins, pretty much anything really, very difficult. It's not because I haven't tried. I have spent hours and hours just trying to conceal an item in my hand and no matter how hard I try, my hand looks uncomfortable and unnatural.

I have no problem with misdirection, so if you could point me in the direction of a great trick or two that doesn't need a gimmick or palming, I'd be happy to pay for the instructions. But I'm not trying to be a performer here, just trying to amaze a couple of young kids and please their mum, you know?
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It took me a year to learn to palm a coin. Hours and hours is nothing.
If you were good at misdirection, palming wouldn't be so much of a problem. Lots of magicians with small hands manage to palm things without people looking at their hands. Keep practising.

If you want tricks to impress people buy Michael Ammar DVDs.
 
The thread title may have been changed but that's no reason to not answer the question what magic tricks do the girls like? I asked it so I should answer it as a matter of good faith.

This may seem crude but tricks like spongeballs where you are required to touch a woman's hand during the effect creates rapport with your victim single female audience member at parties.

When I was in college (this is not exposing methods -- this is just explaining how I did my own personally created woo) I used to bend metal at parties. I changed methods often because I often had repeat audience members but my best metal bending trick was to get everyone in a circle and ask them to offer their keys for the trick. I stated I wouldn't offer my keys nor ever touch anyone elses keys. As we sat in a dimly lit circle with alcohol and smelly cigarettes going around I would offer some woo monologue to bore the hell out of them. When their attention was diminished I would scoot up into the circle and pass a couple of keys from the person on my right to the person on my left. I had actually waited until the right two keys came to this position and I knew how to use leverage to bend one key against another and pass the keys off quickly. I would shake my head and not feel anything working and as the keys were passed clockwise again and then passed again yet again without scrutiny. I would get the bent key at least two people away from me and everyone forgot I ever touched the keys. When the bent key was at the young woman I had my eye on I would screw up my face and sya maybe I needed to take charge. I would have her close her fist tight and I would place one of my hands below her fist and one above (and my above wrist was placed so she would feel my pulse. I asked if she felt anything unusual like heat or pounding (or my pulse) and they always did. They would open their hand to a bent key that I would use the method Randi has exposed on Youtube of ratcheting to make it look like it continues to bend in front of you. Those women felt bonded to me. Twice (not once) the girl in question told me they had always suspected they had abilities (in these two cases it was stuff like shutting street lights off when they passed by or making things break at a distance. In my defence I always admitted that it was trickery I used when someone truly spoke to me about metaphsics. In both cases they said they weren't certain if they should believe me when I said it was all bulloney.

I'm not saying I closed many deals, but I am saying I created deals that were mine to bungle through the use of magic.

firecoins said:
It took me a year to learn to palm a coin. Hours and hours is nothing.
If you were good at misdirection, palming wouldn't be so much of a problem. Lots of magicians with small hands manage to palm things without people looking at their hands. Keep practising.
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It doesn't take hours to palm a coin and pretend to put it in your other hand where the gimmicked coin is. Certain successful palming isn't that hard.
 
All this talk of sex and Magic reminded me of something, If someone puts handcuffs on me locking them behind my back I can slip them in front of me.
 
Another great effect I used in high school to make a hit with the ladies (or could have used with the gents :rolleyes: ) is Scotch and Soda. I had this over the counter trick that turns a Kenedy half dollar and Mexican centavos into a Kennedy half dollar and quarter in a young woman's hand. The quality of the equipment was remarkable, however the trick didn't have the plausable deniability I wished. I came up with the idea of purchasing a bunch of Mexican centavos that I would use and occasionally let my audience keep the Mexican coin as a souvenir (well at least for the right audience members :rolleyes:).

What I would do (and I created this effect) was pinch this Mexican coin into the girl's pocket I was going to perform the trick to so when they asked me where the Mexican coin went I would say "in your pocket." That's a kind of sort of intimicy, being in their pocket). I came up with this idea when I was a 16 year old busboy at Howard Johnson's Restaurant where the hot waitresses had large pockets that were as simple as pie to place a coin in. After I mastered the placement in waitress' pocket I gained the confidence reversed the psychology of pickpocketing and learned how to distract a woman even wearing tight jeans by squeezing their opposite shoulder of the pocket you are shooting the coin into.

I understand that Kennedy half dollars are much more suspicious items than when I used them, but I am saying placing disappeared coins into the girl's pocket you are flirting with is gold. There are pamphlets that describe how to pickpocket. I never had the nerve/desire to use them but I can say you can distract a person enough to plant a coin in their pocket. I'm not exposing a trick, I am exposing what I created myself that I am willing to share.

My point is that a motivated person performing magic tricks in high school/college can still be relavent in attracting girls. I'm hoping to support you young rascals. Plant your equipment in their pockets. It creates rapport -- believe me.
 
It's been over a week and not only has no one replied to my post but no one has posted on the Conjuror's Corner at all. This is unacceptable. Randi is a conjuror. Many posters here are conjurors. Let's support this part of the website.

It's sad to admit but my material about how I got girls through magic is finite. I may have a story or two after this one but I need your help.

This story occurred while I was living in Atlanta during one of the Yankees-Braves World Series. The college roomate of a good friend of mine lived near me and I became friends with him and his his live-in -girlfriend (now his wife) while living there. His wife liked me and always tried to set me up on a date with a female friend of hers. Ass that I was (probably still am) I always felt that her friends were too pretty and made too much money for me to date. I can show you pictures. Her friends were close to being models. This particular day my friends and my blind date went to a bar that gave every customer a sponge Brave tamahawk item. This item was made of sponge and was in the shape of a tomahawk. I immedeately saw the implications. I stopped doing magic tricks in bars after I left college but I felt I needed to make myself interesting this particular night. I ripped the bottom out of an unattended sponge tomahawk while making my way to the bathroom. While in th bathroom I created a sponge ball.

When I rejoined my friends I got them all involved into creating three sponge balls out of tearing apart my sponge tomahawk I was issued at the door. Because it was a special discounted beer day the bar gave beer drinkers plastic 16 ounce cups instead of glasses. Now I had three plastic cups which are perfect to do cups and balls and I had an extra fourth sponge ball that you need to perform cups and balls to do that my friennds had no idea I was able to create (the ball I created in the bathroom). I did a jaw dropping cups and ball routine and followed it up with a spong ball routine that left my "date" bamboozled. She was wearing a jacket that allowed me to plant a sponge ball in her jacket. I could show my hands empty and have access to a sponge ball whenever I wanted. All the planets were in alighnment that day. I kicked ass.

Didn't close the deal -- but at least I was in the game.
 
memorized deck work like card calling.

several different coins across including 3 fly ungimmicked.

I am working on palm reading.
 
firecoins said:
memorized deck work like card calling.

several different coins across including 3 fly ungimmicked.

I am working on palm reading.
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Don't forget, the title of this thread has been edited to remove mention of getting girls. That's because the conjurer's corner can be accessed by new people just checking the site out and the conjurer's corner should look wholesome by non-conjurers. However, we all know that if we don't make money out of performing we are looking to meet girls. I'd like to read how you woo'd a girl with a memorized deck or something called "three fly ungimmicked."

Palm reading is hard core flirting. Once when I was in college, (and I had been a hard core skeptic since high school) I allowed a beautiful older female :rolleyes: (she was in her late twenties) to create doubt in my mind for a short period of time about palm reading. She was a fixture on a popular radio program that I met in a Mexican bar who put some doubt in my mind about palm reading. She told me she was taught by some Indian guy and when she said the love life line on my palm was damaged and offered a reason or two she gave me more than a moment of doubt. I was 19 or 20 and I wanted to believe but despite the five margaretas and the pouring of taquila and kalua in my mouth directly while the crowd was chanting my name, I knew she was just a well intentioned woo before I left the bar. My point is if a palm reader can make me feel something, hard-core skeptic I am, you might meet a girl or two down the road if you get good at cold reading.

Bob Klase said:
See Michael Close's Workers 5 for some great ideas with a memorized deck. That's what finally inspired me to learn one 15 years ago.
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How do you get from a memorized deck to closing the deal? Is that such a hard ;) question?
 
If the prime concern is getting girls and then making some kind of emotional connection is going to work better than 'doing tricks'. For the same reason that mentalists will generally get paid more than the typical magician- people think it might be real. Palm reading, cold reading fall into that category.

But card tricks can work too. If you read William Goldman's Magic (or saw the movie) there's a simple trick (2-deck Do As I Do effect) used very effectively to close the deal (although now that I think about it I'm not sure the deal was ever finalized- it's been 30 years since I read it).

Senex said:
How do you get from a memorized deck to closing the deal? Is that such a hard ;) question?
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Now you're talking about methods which are irrelevant. Presentation (and what she perceives) is all that counts. If your good at palm reading or cold reading then they would probably work better than any card trick for you. But there are a lot of things you could do with cards that would work just as well for someone else. A couple examples:

She selects 2 pairs of cards and a single card from a Tarot deck. When the cards are turned over one pair is the Sun and the Moon cards ("oh- that indicates some type of yin and yan type force"). The 2nd pair is the Empress and the Magician cards ("obviously the magician would represent me, and I'd have to say that you're beautiful enough to be a the empress"). The single card is turned over and it's the Lovers (I hope I don't have to give you the patter at this point). Sure, it uses tarot cards so it wouldn't be a mem deck. And there's much better methods anyway- but it could be done with a mem deck.

How about placing a deck of cards on the table and talk about about psychic connections and other girl getting woo. She names any card, you spread the cards on the table face up and there's one card reversed (you had a dream the night before and when you woke took a random card out of the deck and turned it over). She removes the face down card and it's the card she just named. The deck is not gimmicked- the method is still irrelevant but if you don't use a gimmicked deck you can leave the cards on the table (or give her the deck to keep).

Hope that answers your question.
 
Hope that answers your question.
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Yes it does. I'm in the bar bathroom trying to create a plausable looking fourth sponge ball while others are using gimmicked tarrot decks. I'm deepsea fishing with an inadequate line while others are shooting fish in a barrel. I understand all too well.

:D

I'm only kidding. I was just hoping firecoins would tell his story and you would as well. I'd prefer how you woo'd girls with spongeballs over cold reading but I'm only looking to save the $4.50 for the Penthouse Variations magazine.
 
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