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Popular YouTube channel facing backlash over what appears to be child abuse

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/39627969/youtube-pranksters-daddyofive-deny-child-abuse-claims

The parents behind YouTube channel Daddyofive have been accused of exploiting their children (three theirs, two from the father's previous relationship) for the sake of their pranks.

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Videos on the Daddyofive channel, which has 759,000 subscribers, range from everyday vlogs to pranks of epic proportion - and the children are usually the ones being pranked.

The three main issues appear to be whether the "pranks" are actually funny and fair or whether they're emotional abuse, whether the children and the parents hitting the children is playful or whether that is physical abuse, and why the majority of the "pranks" seem to be played on just the one child, Cody.

The quoted article mostly talks about a a video by Philip DeFranco, a survivor of abuse himself. I'd say that the video is worth watching, as it's quite an in-depth analysis and contains several clips from the videos in question, helping you to make up your own mind. The relevant portion is about 10 minutes (there's a little nsfw language):



There's also a follow-up video, which is worth watching. The relevant portion is about 7 minutes. My linking to the correct time has failed, so it starts at 5:50 in:



For those who don't want to watch, the main focus is a video in which the whole family are preparing to leave for Disneyland - all except Cody, who didn't "earn" the right. It appears that he's been misbehaving and as such forfeited his right to go. The thing which is perhaps significant is that the form of this misbehaving has been him smearing his faeces everywhere, which is certainly not conclusive evidence of anything, but is one thing which is often done by victims of abuse or people who are traumatised.

Another video with some more clips, which starts off with the dad forcing one of the boys to slap the girl in the face. There's also a summary of an interview with Cody's mother (a little nsfw language, again):



The interview with the mother in full:



The key points to sum up are that she claims that the father's new wife forged papers saying that the mum gave up her rights to the kids (after 7 years of the father being completely absent from their lives), and that these forged papers stood up in court. When she became aware of the videos she tried to have action taken, but apparently in the state where they live this kind of thing is just counted as corporal punishment.

Now, obviously, it's impossible to know what life in that house is like when the camera isn't rolling, but I personally don't think the videos are indicative of a healthy environment for the kids. If the various authorities won't or can't do anything about this, there is at least a petition to attempt to get YouTube to stop allowing the family to earn from ad revenue on the videos.
 
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Boy, those parents behave like emotionally stunted teenagers themselves, so whadaya expect?
 
I don't know what you call it but both those 'parents' need to be sterilised along with, I suspect, most of their subscribers.
 
I've never understood the appeal of these videos of little kids being punished or pranked. They sometimes help to expose abuse, but even some kid just being sent to their room bother me. It's a little kid, why do I *want* to see them crying?
 
I've never understood the appeal of these videos of little kids being punished or pranked. They sometimes help to expose abuse, but even some kid just being sent to their room bother me. It's a little kid, why do I *want* to see them crying?

Parents and people who were oldest siblings seem to love them. No idea why.
 
A new DiFranco video with some updates including the apparently now deleted video of one of the boys being coerced into slapping the girl:



Mostly what's been in this thread from other videos, but also an analysis of an apology video the father posted, in which he claims that it's all fake and blames DiFranco for everything. It is also the only place I've seen showing the actual police report from when the biological mother of two of the children reported the videos to the police.

Also, apparently, the DaddyOFive channel have now set all their videos to private, although there is a mirror.

Possibly the most important thing to bear in mind: https://twitter.com/MikeMartin1982/status/854723342330449923

Daddyofive‏ @MikeMartin1982

Where are all the montages of all of the happy family moments

https://twitter.com/PhillyD/status/854728168900411392

Philip DeFranco‏Verified account @PhillyD

Happy times do not excuse or negate abusive or violent times. That is like excusing a wife beater because he's so sweet 90% of the time.
 
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The parents look like jerks. Why it's such a popular channel is also disturbing. Who wants to watch someone making kids cry and laughing about it?
 
I watched the response video from Mr. Defranco. The original Youtube channel referenced seems to have taken down all its videos except for an apology video.

- I do feel the videos, at least the parts as shown in Mr. Defranco's, are often exploitative, mean spirited, and not emotionally healthy for the children (and perhaps the adults to be fair) involved.

- At the very least I would recommended some pretty heavy counseling for the family.

- Yes the "But it's a prank!" excuse is... just no. I hate that.

- And off of that yes the whole "Pranking" your children for laughs stuff is just... the most charitable way I can put it is that it is in very poor taste.

- Wow "We deeply apologize for your feelings of concern" might be the most douche-baggy way to phrase that already douche-baggy "I'm sorry if anyone was offended" style non-apology ever.

- "As many of our friends and family would tell you, we are a loving, close-knit family." And they very well might be. I don't get a sense of hateful, angry abuse from the videos, just a sense of letting your want for attention guide you towards being more mean spirited then you should be. I wouldn't surprise me in the least if they started off more gentle good natured pranking and as time went on had to get more and more "extreme."

- The fact that one child is "singled out" for the most of the "pranks" might not be nefarious (in and off itself, everything else being discussed not withstanding) but it just might mean he's the kid most willing to go along or has the "funniest" reactions for their videos.

- Personally I can't get a good feel for how "in on it" the kids are but that might just be me. I mean if you're parents were pranking you on a routine bases enough wouldn't you pick up on it after a while? (ETA: Clarification and a caveat. I'm real bad at judging how serious children are a lot of the times. Children tend to be really overly melodramatic when they are being serious so in general children who are honestly upset look like bad actors to me.)

- I don't disagree with Mr. Defranco's overall point but being a "abuse survivor" doesn't make him an expert on identifying it.

- At times we're veering a little too deep into "Slice of Life Armchair Psychoanalyzing Complete with Vagusations." for my taste. There is a lot of questionable stuff in the videos but the internet (a made the mistake of looking at the comment thread on Mr. Defranco's video) is a little too full of "Oh you see the child scratched his nose with his left index finger which is a clear warning sign that he was sodomized with a empty Mr. Clean bottle on Easter" for my taste. Trying to diagnose and/or prosecute people via the random stuff they chose to put online is one internet pasttime I think we need to reign in a little.
 
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Note: "just a prank" does not impress the judge in any circumstances. Sooner or later, we're going to get someone deciding to get drunk and video themselves screaming at their children "in the name of discipline"
 
I don't know what you call it but both those 'parents' need to be sterilised along with, I suspect, most of their subscribers.
And with a rusty blade and pliers involved. Is there any indication of location so local law enforcement can become involved?:mad:
 
Parents and people who were oldest siblings seem to love them. No idea why.
I am an oldest sibling and I loathe that kind of behavior and those who give it laughs. I generally wish long and terrible adjustments for the perpetrators.
 
With luck, when Cody gets old enough he will be able to kill his tormentors and his lawyer will show the videos in court and he will be released with the thanks of the court for his good deed!
 
With luck, when Cody gets old enough he will be able to kill his tormentors and his lawyer will show the videos in court and he will be released with the thanks of the court for his good deed!


Or, you know, reality and the rule of law.
 
Uh...holy ****. I was an appointed attorney in cases where the state removed children from abusive homes.

Playing this video in court would have sent every judge I'm aware of through the roof. I can promise you a minimal ruling would bar them from ever making a video like that again, and family counseling.

That is abusive. Video the children saying they're ok...not reliable.

Edit to add - that poor kid, Cody. He is being abused. Whether that justifies removal depends on the local jurisdiction, but that kid is in trouble.
 
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I am an oldest sibling and I loathe that kind of behavior and those who give it laughs. I generally wish long and terrible adjustments for the perpetrators.

I am the youngest of 6, and it doesn't interest me, either.

But then again, I am one who doesn't think "crotch shots" on Funniest Home Videos are all that funny, either. Nor are big wipeouts where people could be severely injured (although I do like it more when people are doing stupid things and they end up going about how you would expect).
 
Jimmy Kimmel and his viewers, at least. They think it's the most hilarious thing on earth.

one, though not the only, reason I do not watch Kimmel. Making little kids cry or worse to get yourself on television makes me unhappy.
 
I am the youngest of 6, and it doesn't interest me, either.

But then again, I am one who doesn't think "crotch shots" on Funniest Home Videos are all that funny, either. Nor are big wipeouts where people could be severely injured (although I do like it more when people are doing stupid things and they end up going about how you would expect).

I admit I too enjoy the latter - because I believe adults who do not understand that the laws of physics are more important than regular laws - since you cannot twist/ignore the laws of physics- deserve what they get when they try to violate same!!!!!
 

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