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'Popular Science' ends online article comments.

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Popular Science magazine will no longer be allowing comments on it's online articles.

Comments can be bad for science. That's why, here at PopularScience.com, we're shutting them off.

It wasn't a decision we made lightly. As the news arm of a 141-year-old science and technology magazine, we are as committed to fostering lively, intellectual debate as we are to spreading the word of science far and wide. The problem is when trolls and spambots overwhelm the former, diminishing our ability to do the latter.

That is not to suggest that we are the only website in the world that attracts vexing commenters. Far from it. Nor is it to suggest that all, or even close to all, of our commenters are shrill, boorish specimens of the lower internet phyla. We have many delightful, thought-provoking commenters.

But even a fractious minority wields enough power to skew a reader's perception of a story, recent research suggests. In one study led by University of Wisconsin-Madison professor Dominique Brossard, 1,183 Americans read a fake blog post on nanotechnology and revealed in survey questions how they felt about the subject (are they wary of the benefits or supportive?). Then, through a randomly assigned condition, they read either epithet- and insult-laden comments ("If you don't see the benefits of using nanotechnology in these kinds of products, you're an idiot" ) or civil comments. The results, as Brossard and coauthor Dietram A. Scheufele wrote in a New York Times op-ed:
Uncivil comments not only polarized readers, but they often changed a participant's interpretation of the news story itself.
In the civil group, those who initially did or did not support the technology — whom we identified with preliminary survey questions — continued to feel the same way after reading the comments. Those exposed to rude comments, however, ended up with a much more polarized understanding of the risks connected with the technology.
Simply including an ad hominem attack in a reader comment was enough to make study participants think the downside of the reported technology was greater than they'd previously thought.
Another, similarly designed study found that just firmly worded (but not uncivil) disagreements between commenters impacted readers' perception of science.
No doubt the conspiracy nuts, woo peddlers and cranks will be spinning this as either a 'victory' for their nonsense or claiming their 'freedom of speech' is being denied.
 
That's unfortunate. I have a greater amount of interest in the study cited for their reasoning, than the fact that Popular Science is ending their comments section.
 
Unfortunately I think they did the right thing. I get tired of the deny-osphere, and crap slingers.
 
Having seen what passes for commentary on science articles, I am afraid I'd have done the same thing in their position.

Especially the ideological trolls.

People seem to think that if science makes their dogma untenable, the science must be attacked rather than the dogma reconsidered. That is toxic to any discussion.
 
Good on them actually. It's a shame that the ignorant have a voice sometimes.
 
Unfortunate. It creates the appearance of distance between science and the public--science already appears to be something handed down from on high, out of reach of the ordinary person, and shutting down lines of communication only solidifies that image.

It's not that I can't see their point. Crackpots are always the noisy minority dominating conversations (look at the active threads here, for example). Still, I think it's a case of picking the least-bad option, and the lesser of two evils is still evil.
 
They get hit badly by such people yet this forum can have an active science sub forum without major problems. So what is the difference that causes this? Not the rules of this forum. I can post in every science thread that the science in the OP is junk and explain why and as long as I was civil I would be OK, even though I would be wrong.
 
They get hit badly by such people yet this forum can have an active science sub forum without major problems. So what is the difference that causes this? Not the rules of this forum. I can post in every science thread that the science in the OP is junk and explain why and as long as I was civil I would be OK, even though I would be wrong.

Audience.
 
They get hit badly by such people yet this forum can have an active science sub forum without major problems. So what is the difference that causes this? Not the rules of this forum. I can post in every science thread that the science in the OP is junk and explain why and as long as I was civil I would be OK, even though I would be wrong.

The registration requirement on this forum is perhaps a bit more daunting. Some don't want to take the trouble to do that. And then there's the rules in the membership agreement. The mudslingers used to commenting on random articles can't avoid the :rule10 violations and the personal attacks and are quickly banned by our friends the mods.
 
Audience.
Want to expand on that answer? Are you thinking size or the type of members here? Or something else?


The registration requirement on this forum is perhaps a bit more daunting. Some don't want to take the trouble to do that. And then there's the rules in the membership agreement. The mudslingers used to commenting on random articles can't avoid the :rule10 violations and the personal attacks and are quickly banned by our friends the mods.

Maybe they can do the same. Say you need a paid subscription for the magazine to be able to post comments. That will instantly cut off the trolls and spambots. After all the organisation wants to make a profit, well this is one way they can do it and serve science as a side effect (or is it the other way round?). If they are right then JREF should shut down the science sub forum.
 
A thread over in EBT posted this link which included this:
Please use the comments to demonstrate your own ignorance, unfamiliarity with empirical data and lack of respect for scientific knowledge. Be sure to create straw men and argue against things I have neither said nor implied. If you could repeat previously discredited memes or steer the conversation into irrelevant, off topic discussions, it would be appreciated. Lastly, kindly forgo all civility in your discourse . . . you are, after all, anonymous.
Meanwhile over in PopSci the reasons for the policy are becoming obvious:

The anti-vaccine cranks are unhappy:
Or does PopSci think that a viciously worded misrepresentation is more legitimate? See, for example, PopSci's article on countering “idiots”, in PopSci's own words, who voice suspicion about vaccines?
The NWO believers also:
Or maybe it's the other way around. Maybe “science” is going to come up with a steady stream of patent and obvious lies, intended to harm the populace altogether, tun them into little more than weak, sick, mindless slaves to the New World Order and PopSci doesn't want anyone in their pages spilling the beans?
Then "they" are being accused of suffering from Narcissistic personality disorder and squashing "peer review":
The purpose of peer-reviewed journals is to add credence to the presented information. A journal that not only has no peer review, but bans feedback has no credence at all. Today, PopSci eliminated feedback from readers. :(
Any then there are the general nutters:
so i'm sure the NSA had a hand in it, either by fear of or by direct threats.
Or maybe it's a conspiracy!!
Today the benefits of global warming are complacently ignored. The warmest times on earth have been the times with the most diverse life. All these fossil fuels we burn used to be co2 in the air.
Perhaps it's because women can't handle criticism.
My question in science today is does this reflect that the females dominate at PoPSCi dominate and if they get negative feed back in the comments they'll have a hissie fit and close all comments?
 
Want to expand on that answer? Are you thinking size or the type of members here? Or something else?

Yeah, basically "Discover" or "Popular Science" is going to draw more visitors in an hour than JREF will in a month.* More visitors = more yahoos. Yahoos are a significant portion of the populace, and more will idiot their way to a huge web page than a modest-sized forum. Hell, it took me years to stumble my way here, and I have been a skeptic for decades.

Also, the wise are more likely to have better things to do than scream: OH noes!1!1! Science friggle fraggle .... can't understand.... government corruption.... 911 .... god-fearing man ..... adam and eve, not adam and steve..... stupid stem cells.... if evolution was true, 'possums would have reflectors....




*Completely made-up statistics are only correct 48% of the time, but you take my point.
 
Comment sections online are always circle jerks (including this forum :P) though the quality here can be better than what you'll find on most all popsci comments. I'm glad they closed their comments because I believe in Gabriel's Theory. If you want to post comments then you cannot be anonymous.
 
I would think that those who want to comment on Popular Science articles would be able to set up a site dedicated to just that. They might even be able to do it here.
 

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